Help to Understand Skipper's Values

Kathy4Skipper said:
Good! Thanks for understanding that I was asking about the overlap since I read that ProZinc can last 12-14hours depending on the cat.

This is great information to know! :bighug:
I gave the full dose of 1.75u about 30 minutes after his 313 value. So, 1.5 hours later than normal. I really must come up with a way to shoot earlier in the day. I think 7am/pm will be best since that's the normal mealtime around here.
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It's hard trying to find a "groove" with shot time. Every time I finally get a solid schedule, something changes or throws it off. Your best bet is to work backwards an hour at a time.

Is there a reason you waited 30 mins after the 313 instead of giving it right away? I see.yoindid something similar the last time you stalled.
 
FrostD said:
It's hard trying to find a "groove" with shot time. Every time I finally get a solid schedule, something changes or throws it off. Your best bet is to work backwards an hour at a time.

Is there a reason you waited 30 mins after the 313 instead of giving it right away? I see you did something similar the last time you stalled.
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I appreciate that you notice details like this. I waited to try to make sure Skipper was really out of the 12-14 hour overlap timeframe.
Regarding the schedule getting thrown off and Skipper's bounciness, my vet didn't want me to use ProZinc. He doesn't like it because he's seen too many cats bouncing on it. He instead, wants me to use Novalin-N. I saw a post somewhere that said Novlalin-N only lasts 6-8 hours in a cat but my vet said it works better than ProZinc. Since I'm home testing instead of taking Skipper weekly for bloodwork, the vet wants me to report in regarding any bounciness and if I can't get it under control in a month, to switch.
 
Kathy4Skipper said:
I appreciate that you notice details like this. I waited to try to make sure Skipper was really out of the 12-14 hour overlap timeframe.
Regarding the schedule getting thrown off and Skipper's bounciness, my vet didn't want me to use ProZinc. He doesn't like it because he's seen too many cats bouncing on it. He instead, wants me to use Novalin-N. I saw a post somewhere that said Novlalin-N only lasts 6-8 hours in a cat but my vet said it works better than ProZinc. Since I'm home testing instead of taking Skipper weekly for bloodwork, the vet wants me to report in regarding any bounciness and if I can't get it under control in a month, to switch.
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Bounciness is generally resolved with time and methodical increases. And cats bounce on all insulins.

I wouldn't worry about the overlap at these high numbers, or you'll be perpetually off schedule. The overlap is nice because it may help you get his numbers down a little more quickly.

There aren't a lot of Novolin users here so I can't really speak to that. Both Lantus and Levemir are considered more "gentle" and also suitable cats. Cats do tend to bounce less with those, but still do bounce. The down side to those insulins is that bringing down high numbers aren't their strength, their strength is keeping low numbers low. So it takes a little while to get to better numbers.

In my experience, most cats on ProZinc almost never go over 3-3.5U before hitting better numbers (unless there's an underlying issue). So I'd just continue the methodical increases and see where it takes you; when your vial starts getting towards the end then see where you are and if you want to switch.

I switched off ProZinc because my cat just really didn't seem to feel well on it. Numbers were the same as always, he just really seemed off and not himself. But I've not heard that from anyone else here.
 
You want a bit of overlap.

For most cats Prozinc onset is around +2. By the time the insulin from the last shot is wearing off the next shot is kicking in, that's what keeps the numbers down and why for new members we recommend giving token doses and getting tests in when shooting lower numbers than you're used to for the first few times.

@FarmKitty wrote a great post about her experience shooting lower and lower preshots - you can read about it in this thread:
Learning to shoot the lower numbers
 
You'll want to start a new thread tomorrow with a link to this one (this one is getting long).

I won't be around tonight, but same advice applies. Looks like he's shaping up for another day like yesterday; if he's low again at PMPS stall without feeding. As soon as he's above 200, shooooot!

If it takes him more than an hour to be above 200, then do reduced or token dose like I mentioned earlier. That should keep you close to on schedule (plus some cats start to drop without food for that long anyway). I'd only skip if he doesn't come above 150.
 
FrostD said:
You'll want to start a new thread tomorrow with a link to this one (this one is getting long).

I won't be around tonight, but same advice applies. Looks like he's shaping up for another day like yesterday; if he's low again at PMPS stall without feeding. As soon as he's above 200, shooooot!

If it takes him more than an hour to be above 200, then do reduced or token dose like I mentioned earlier. That should keep you close to on schedule (plus some cats start to drop without food for that long anyway). I'd only skip if he doesn't come above 150.
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Thanks for the heads up and the great tips. I hope you're doing something fun tonight! I'll start a new thread as you mentioned with a link to this thread.

I tested Skipper at +8 and I was surprised that he was 351. I thought for sure he'd be in the yellows. I'll follow your tips tonight. Thanks again!
 
Kathy4Skipper said:
Thanks for the heads up and the great tips. I hope you're doing something fun tonight! I'll start a new thread as you mentioned with a link to this thread.

I tested Skipper at +8 and I was surprised that he was 351. I thought for sure he'd be in the yellows. I'll follow your tips tonight. Thanks again!
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Probably a bit of a bounce
 
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