Help! Socrates' hypo

Ilianna and Socrates

Ilianna and Socrates

Member Since 2020
Hi everyone! Happy holidays! Please help!Socrates had a sudden drop today.As you can see on his spreadsheet,and after the vet's recomendation,we switched from 1 iu Lantus x 2 to 1.25 iu.It made sense since last months his numbers where around 380.
After a week that everything was fine,I did a ramdom test at + 4 today and ..046!I did everything the group suggests in such cases and at +8 he had 107 and at +1 10 he had 301.Of course I gave carbs(dry food) in order for his BG to rise that much.Now I must shoot again ,what do I do???
 
Hi! welcome! - it looks like you got answers on Health - https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/socrates-hypo.240554/

You may also want to read through the stickies at the top of this board - all of them are great but the low number sticky may be worth a read. When Jax goes below 50, I test every 20-30 minutes to get him in the 50s and then I test every 30 minutes or so in the 50s to make sure he won't drop again.

Hope Socrates stays safe and you have a wonderful day :bighug:
 
It’s okay. Sometimes we shoot through the bounce when high. His new dose is 1.0 from now on until either it needs to be lowered because he drops under 90 or when the curve in 7 days tells us to increase. Post the +2 result.
 
Lantus is dosed based upon how low a dose takes your cat. You need to get mid cycle tests to see what is happening so you are not hit with surprises. A +2 is a good test to get. If it’s lower than the amps/PMPS more tests later will be a good idea. If higher it’s less likely he will drop too low.
 
tiffmaxee said:
Lantus is dosed based upon how low a dose takes your cat. You need to get mid cycle tests to see what is happening so you are not hit with surprises. A +2 is a good test to get. If it’s lower than the amps/PMPS more tests later will be a good idea. If higher it’s less likely he will drop too low.
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539 !! omg! What now? I think I overdid it with the dry food...
 
He’s bouncing from dropping to the low bg. That 539 was at +2? Totally normal. The high numbers might last 4-6 cycles or clear quickly. There’s no way to know. Same some strips and don’t test until morning. Please read the yellow stickies at the top of this forum.

Here’s how to post your title.
12/26 Socrates PMPS 483, 539@+2

https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/posting-guidelines-please-read.231511/

https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/the-basics-new-to-the-group-start-here.18139/
 
tiffmaxee said:
He’s bouncing from dropping to the low bg. That 539 was at +2? Totally normal. The high numbers might last 4-6 cycles or clear quickly. There’s no way to know. Same some strips and don’t test until morning. Please read the yellow stickies at the top of this forum.

Here’s how to post your title.
12/26 Socrates PMPS 483, 539@+2

https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/posting-guidelines-please-read.231511/

https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/the-basics-new-to-the-group-start-here.18139/
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Thank you soooo much!! I am new to the group but I am so glad to be here!
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Welcome over here. Good catch on that 46 today! And good luck with the new dose of 1.0 units tomorrow.
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Hello! update on my sweet boy : AMPS 439. If I hadn't found this amazing group I would be very upset,but thanks to tiffmaxee I know this will last for a while. I gave 1 unit.When do I test again?At + 6?
 
The +2 or +3 can be a helpful test with Lantus. If the +2 is about the same as the preshot, it'll be a normal Lantus cycle with some downward curve. If the +2 is quite a bit lower, it'll be an active cycle and a good idea to get more tests in. If it's higher than preshot, still bouncing, you don't need to test. Or you can try getting tests between +4 and +7. Not all cats nadir at +6.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
The +2 or +3 can be a helpful test with Lantus. If the +2 is about the same as the preshot, it'll be a normal Lantus cycle with some downward curve. If the +2 is quite a bit lower, it'll be an active cycle and a good idea to get more tests in. If it's higher than preshot, still bouncing, you don't need to test. Or you can try getting tests between +4 and +7. Not all cats nadir at +6.
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+3 we are at 301. Btw,what is the difference between a normal lantus cycle and an active one? Sorry but I am still leraning
 
Ilianna Balasi said:
+3 we are at 301. Btw,what is the difference between a normal lantus cycle and an active one? Sorry but I am still leraning
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You are welcome to ask as many questions as you want :-)

An active cycle is one where there is more downward action than normal. Where the curve is steeper than the normal gentle Lantus curve and therefore a possibility of the BG going lower than usual. Those cycles need more monitoring.
 
It will be interesting to see how many cycles until the bounce clears. Then we see what the 1.0 dose will do for him.
 
I think I would go down to .75 and see if that enables you to shoot every cycle. Sorry. Yes. Skip tonight. He will likely bounce in the morning.
 
tiffmaxee said:
I think I would go down to .75 and see if that enables you to shoot every cycle. Sorry. Yes. Skip tonight. He will likely bounce in the morning.
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I am expecting about 430-480 in the morning but I am scared to shoot tonight,because I am tired and scared of falling asleep.So in the morning if he has above 200 (which he definately will) I give 1 unit or .75? I am asking because I live in Greece and most of you will be sleeping by the time of AMPS.:cat::cat:
 
Ilianna Balasi said:
I am expecting about 430-480 in the morning but I am scared to shoot tonight,because I am tired and scared of falling asleep.So in the morning if he has above 200 (which he definately will) I give 1 unit or .75? I am asking because I live in Greece and most of you will be sleeping by the time of AMPS.:cat::cat:
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Just to add to what Elise said above, you want to shoot a dose that you can shoot regularly without too many skips. Lantus is not dosed on pre-shot values, but based on how low it takes a cat. Frequent changes to the dose disrupts the depot and we will not have an understanding of which dose is working.

I should be around for the AMPS. Tag or PM me if you need any help. I am in India. I am 3.5 hours ahead of you. You could also tag/PM @Bron and Sheba (GA) - one of our senior members who is in Australia. :)
 
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Welcome here! We are glad to have you and Socrates.

Can you please start a new thread today? Here is info on posting in this insulin support group. We don’t let keep the same thread going for days as they do on the Main Health forum. We also link the previous day’s thread in the new one. Please let us know if you need help with that. Thank you!
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Welcome here! We are glad to have you and Socrates.

Can you please start a new thread today? Here is info on posting in this insulin support group. We don’t let keep the same thread going for days as they do on the Main Health forum. We also link the previous day’s thread in the new one. Please let us know if you need help with that. Thank you!
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Thank you for your advice .I will start a new thread tomorrow because now it is 21.43 where I live.Please tell me how to link the previous one...
 
Ilianna and Socrates said:
Thank you for your advice .I will start a new thread tomorrow because now it is 21.43 where I live.Please tell me how to link the previous one...
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Thank you!!

I’ll elaborate on Elise’s instructions.

Open the thread for which you want to copy the link, click on the browser address, and copy.
Open a new thread and in the first text box, type a title such as “Yesterday” or “Previous Condo” or something similar. Then highlight it.
In the tool bar above the text box, click on the hyperlink icon which looks like a horizontal paperclip (7th icon from your left).
Paste the browser address in the box and click “insert”.

Now you are ready to fill in the subject line and write your post.
 
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