Help, hyper or Hypothyroidism??? (I got the results)

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ISIL&TIFIL

ISIL&TIFIL

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Hello,
I am Isil,
My cat has been diagnosis with diabetes on 05/19/11..I am getting help from beautiful people on the lantus board. There is something I have been wondering for a while. My vet didn't make the hyperthyroism tests, I asked several times but he said there is no need. How can I understand? what are the symptoms? I googled it, some are suiting some are not.

Thank you

Edit:
I got the results,
T3 (TRIIYODOTIRONIN) Feline result as ng/mL * 0.53 (must be between 0.85 and 2.50) LOW
result as nmol/L SI 0.82 (must be between 1.31 and 3.85)



T4 (TIROKSIN) Feline result as μg/dL 1.80 (must be between 1.20 and 3.00) NORMAL
result as nmol/L SI 23.17 (must be between 15.44 and 38.61)

by the way
RDW Feline * 29.90 % (must be between 14.00 and 19.00) HİGH
PLATELET Feline * 85.00 K/mm3 (must be between 300.00 and 800.00) LOW

WHAT DOES THİS MEAN ?? My vet said we should test again. does anybody have any idea??
 
Re: Help, Possible hyperthyroidism???

Hi Isil, I don't know a lot about hyperT, but have you looked at this site?http://www.2ndchance.info/hyperthyroid.htm It has a lot of excellent info that is easy to understand. A cat will not show all the symptoms. There are several tests T-4, T-3 suppression test and free T-4. Did you vet just not run the tests or feel they were not necessary?
 
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Ann & Tess said:
Hi Isil, I don't know a lot about hyperT, but have you looked at this site?http://www.2ndchance.info/hyperthyroid.htm It has a lot of excellent info that is easy to understand. A cat will not show all the symptoms. There are several tests T-4, T-3 suppression test and free T-4. Did you vet just not run the tests or feel they were not necessary?
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The first vet that I went didn't make the tests for hyperthroid, I asked he said there is no need. Then I went to 3 other vets, 1 of them was too young and couldn't take blood from Tifil!!! the rest of them didn't find it necessary.
Tifil is licking herself constantly and her bg levels are strange. Like today, she didn't go under 300 and over 340... no curve...maybe you can say it's normal for the beginning, but it has been a month since we are on lantus. I now 1 month is not so much but I keep on wondering if there is something else going on.
I am so tired of going to different vets, non of them knows anything about diabetes and to save your cat's life is up to you if you are a researcher!!!!
 
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Whereabouts do you live - city & state/provice?

There may be some folks near you who can recommend vets.

Also, if you feel comfortable with a vet, other than lack of knowledge, you might find, print out, and share with the vet some current veterinary articles on diabetes concurrent with hyperthyoidism.
 
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Some symptoms of Hypert are similar to FD, like increased urine, increased water intake, hungry all the time but still losing weight.

Nervousness (licking fur a lot) that can be a sign of hypert. Restlessness, thinning fur, meowing more, vomitting clear liquid, there are a lot of different signs.

Metabolizing insulin too quickly would also be a consideration. A hypert kitty is on overdrive. Any cat at or about the age of 9, in my home, gets a senior panel which includes a hypert test. I've unfortunately had too many hypert kitties so it's one of the first things I check for.

You are a client of the vet, if you, as a client would like more complete bloodwork done I don't see why they wouldn't do it.
 
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Things go different in my country (Turkey). when you say you want a test done, they perceive it like you are trying to teach them their job! Tifil is not drinking anymore, I think it is because I am giving too much watery meals. I add water in everything I give.
The reason I am suspicious oh hyperthyroidism is because she is licking alot and vomiting the fur out. (she licks so much that she throws up babies from her mouth :lol: )
Her body is always so hot, when I am testing her ears, they are never cold, always burning. she is afraid of everything. The door bell, the telephone ringing, the flush of the toilet, the snoring husband, the laughing neighbor...everything!!!!
I have to find a way to make my last vet test her thyroids..or else I am going to go suspicious of everything :(
 
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The constant licking, vomitting and the nervousness would make me suspicous too. I hope that you can find a way to get the tests that you need to get confirmation or maybe find out she's okay.

I had a kitty who I could always tell her BGs were high before I tested her because her ears were warm when high and cold when she was normal, my sweet Misty(GA).
 
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RIP sweet Misty :(
I sometimes think the same thing, about the hot ears. I also think when the BG's are low the blood is more pinky (light red :) and when the BG's are high the blood comes dark red :) maybe these are all urban legend :lol: :lol:
 
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Thank you for your kind words about Misty. I adopt older kitties so sometimes I lose them quickly, she was such a sweet kitty, I do miss her, but I'm happy that I had the time with her that I did.

I will keep an eye on the blood color, you might be right, lately I can tell you my Kiki has had dark blood, she's running high, and I thinking back, Tucker's used to be lighter. Maybe you're right :) I never considered that, but that's very interesting.
 
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tuckers mom said:
Thank you for your kind words about Misty. I adopt older kitties so sometimes I lose them quickly, she was such a sweet kitty, I do miss her, but I'm happy that I had the time with her that I did.

I will keep an eye on the blood color, you might be right, lately I can tell you my Kiki has had dark blood, she's running high, and I thinking back, Tucker's used to be lighter. Maybe you're right :) I never considered that, but that's very interesting.
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You are a unique person.Adopting older kitties is something not everyone can do. These kitties are going to welcome you on front of the heavens door...
 
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Hi

I have two fur kids that were both hyperthyroid. One with a T4 of 8 and her sister had a T4 of 25+ (off the chart). First thing I would like to know is how old is the kitty? Usually HyperT doesn't happen until they are older. My two were DX when they were 12 years old. Some vets believe that hyper-T will not occur in younger cats but that is not always the case but may be the reason your vet said there was no need. Is your kitty well regulated on insulin for diabetes? There are a lot of similarities in symptoms of both Hyper-T and FD so if your kitty isn't regulated the symptoms may still be the FD. With my two fur kids they were constantly ravenous, their eyes were bulgy, they lost A LOT of weight no matter how much they ate. They had vomiting spells but I think this is because of the ravenous hunger and eating too fast as well as the Hyper-T. They had a higher than normal heart rate. Their temperature was a little higher than average as well as a little faster breathing. Their hair was CONSTANTLY falling out but not from licking. They were constantly drinking and peeing massively. They also began to urinate outside the litter box and did not like each other much any more even though they are sisters. I think they could smell the illness on each other.

My two are cured now that I had them both get radio-cat. They are back to loving and kissing each other.

All some or none of these symptoms may be displayed but then they are also the same symptoms for so many other issues
 
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Byt2luv said:
Hi

I have two fur kids that were both hyperthyroid. One with a T4 of 8 and her sister had a T4 of 25+ (off the chart). First thing I would like to know is how old is the kitty? Usually HyperT doesn't happen until they are older. My two were DX when they were 12 years old. Some vets believe that hyper-T will not occur in younger cats but that is not always the case but may be the reason your vet said there was no need. Is your kitty well regulated on insulin for diabetes? There are a lot of similarities in symptoms of both Hyper-T and FD so if your kitty isn't regulated the symptoms may still be the FD. With my two fur kids they were constantly ravenous, their eyes were bulgy, they lost A LOT of weight no matter how much they ate. They had vomiting spells but I think this is because of the ravenous hunger and eating too fast as well as the Hyper-T. They had a higher than normal heart rate. Their temperature was a little higher than average as well as a little faster breathing. Their hair was CONSTANTLY falling out but not from licking. They were constantly drinking and peeing massively. They also began to urinate outside the litter box and did not like each other much any more even though they are sisters. I think they could smell the illness on each other.

My two are cured now that I had them both get radio-cat. They are back to loving and kissing each other.

All some or none of these symptoms may be displayed but then they are also the same symptoms for so many other issues
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Hi, Thank you for your respond.
Tıfıl has most of the symptoms that you metioned. But I am not sure if they are from FD or from something else. She is 10 years old. Her diabetes is not well regulated yet. She dosn't drink water anymore, but I think that is because of me giving her too much watery meals. But she has all the other symptoms. I guess I have to find another vet or I have to convince the vet some how.
She urinated in my bed and in the dirty laundry two days ago, but there was blood in her urine, the vet gave antibiotics and painkiller. I don't think the urinating everywhere was a thyroid symptom.
She vomited two times, but I am not sure if it was because of too much licking. The vomit consisted hairballs :)
 
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The urination thing could be thyroid related. One of my hypert kitties suffered from UTIs, urinary tract infections, I think my vet said bladder inflamation caused by her increased urination led to her bacteria infections. This kitty was over 16 when adopted and was unregulated Hypert for years, I had a hard time trying to get her regulated. I had to give her pain meds and antibiotics when she got her UTIs.
 
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tuckers mom said:
The urination thing could be thyroid related. One of my hypert kitties suffered from UTIs, urinary tract infections, I think my vet said bladder inflamation caused by her increased urination led to her bacteria infections. This kitty was over 16 when adopted and was unregulated Hypert for years, I had a hard time trying to get her regulated. I had to give her pain meds and antibiotics when she got her UTIs.
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My god :shock: I think I have to go for blood test as soon as possible. Tıfıl is also taking painkillers and antibiotics now. I have another question, does hyperthroid makes the BG's unstable? How does it affect the Bg?
 
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I think HyperT would cause a cat to metabolize insulin too quickly and that would cause unstables BGs.

I have not had a hypert FD, so I can't promise that I'm correct. "Caryl and Alex" posts on the lantus board, she has a hypert FD. Have you seen her on there?
 
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I agree with Jennifer.... Think of hyper-T like everything in your body is put in overdrive. This is why when DXed with hyperT vets want to check liver and kidney because being hyperT may actually help them with the other problems. Its a very challenging and delicate line to walk. I was so lucky that my fur kids only had that and no underlying problems.
 
Re: Help, hyperthyroidism??? (I got the results)

I got the results, I think it may be a hypothyroid , does anyone have any idea?

T3 (TRIIYODOTIRONIN) Feline result as ng/mL * 0.53 (must be between 0.85 and 2.50) LOW
result as nmol/L SI 0.82 (must be between 1.31 and 3.85)



T4 (TIROKSIN) Feline result as μg/dL 1.80 (must be between 1.20 and 3.00) NORMAL
result as nmol/L SI 23.17 (must be between 15.44 and 38.61)

by the way
RDW Feline * 29.90 % (must be between 14.00 and 19.00) HİGH
PLATELET Feline * 85.00 K/mm3 (must be between 300.00 and 800.00) LOW

WHAT DOES THİS MEAN ?? My vet said we should test again. does anybody have any idea??
 
My understanding is that T3 (triiodothyronine) - is made from T4 (tetraiodothyronine), so perhaps there is difficulty breaking down the T4 into T3, or something is destroying the T3.

If the vet determines it is necessary (low enough), a prescription of T4 is inexpensive (a $4 generic at Giant Eagle in Columbus, OH), and may be given as a tablet, dissolved in water and squirted in, or (maybe) compounded into an ointment to go on the ears.

Low platelets may occur as a result of kidney damage. (FYI: this can happen to humans on NSAIDS)
 
BJM said:
My understanding is that T3 (triiodothyronine) - is made from T4 (tetraiodothyronine), so perhaps there is difficulty breaking down the T4 into T3, or something is destroying the T3.

If the vet determines it is necessary (low enough), a prescription of T4 is inexpensive (a $4 generic at Giant Eagle in Columbus, OH), and may be given as a tablet, dissolved in water and squirted in, or (maybe) compounded into an ointment to go on the ears.

Low platelets may occur as a result of kidney damage. (FYI: this can happen to humans on NSAIDS)
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Hello,
Thank you for your respond. The kidney values are normal. Can spirulina couse the platelet levels to decrease? She also used antibiotics containing amoxicillin.
I hope it is not something due to cancer :sad:
 
There are numerous things which may decrease platelets.

In humans, for example, this may occur when there is foreign substance bound to an internal protein, such as a platelet, and the combination triggers an auto-immune response, destroying both normal platelets and those bound to the foreign substance. The foreign substance may be a drug or other protein source. In other words, this may occur due to a drug or food reaction. Or something else entirely.
 
BJM said:
There are numerous things which may decrease platelets.

In humans, for example, this may occur when there is foreign substance bound to an internal protein, such as a platelet, and the combination triggers an auto-immune response, destroying both normal platelets and those bound to the foreign substance. The foreign substance may be a drug or other protein source. In other words, this may occur due to a drug or food reaction. Or something else entirely.
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So before worrying alot do you think I should get another test done after a while?
 
I think talking with your vet about this, and scheduling re-tests after a vet-recommended period of time are going to be the most helpful things for you to do.

It may help your vet if you keep a log, right along with any insulin and blood test info, of activity levels, behaviors (normal or not), food and water consumption, urination and defecation, that you observe. Details are important - notice smells, volumes, rates & frequencies of intake and outgo, and so on. If you make yourself a chart, or amend the glucose log we use here, that may be a good way to record what you observe.

Observations = data, and vets are trained to treat based on data (see X numbers or behaviors, do Y interventions)
 
Dear Isil,

I don't know anything about HT; but, I do know how much you love Tifil.

Listen to those who have responded. I know someone else who's cat was HT and then extra-sweet. I'll contact her for you. She may have additional helpful insights.

Much love and continued big hugs from the United States to you both in Turkey!
Deb and Nikki -- and, Giz...
 
Thank you so so much to everyone who responded...After a while I will retest again in another lab, I also have a vet friend in Canada whom I sent the results to, waiting for him to reply..
I hope that the conclusion will be good...
Big kisses and hugs, and again thank you very very very much :smile:
 
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