HC vs Kayro

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I am wondering if it is better to have a fast spike and feed LC or MC rather than giving HC to level out a fast drop...
I have heard kayro will abort the cycle... is that true?
Will the HC linger longer even into the next day and cause a high PS?
Is a in and out kayro better than a lingering HC?
 
jayla-n-Drevon said:
I am wondering if it is better to have a fast spike and feed LC or MC rather than giving HC to level out a fast drop...
I have heard kayro will abort the cycle... is that true?
Will the HC linger longer even into the next day and cause a high PS?
Is a in and out kayro better than a lingering HC?
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I will be interested in this answer too Jayla! Diabetes is in my family heavily and I know that for humans they are instructed to use sugary stuff first, followed by a protein food to maintain the elevated blood glucose from the sugar. It may be different in cats. I know that I try to give Shoes the gravy and a little bit of food too just in case it's better.
 
When you don't have a lot of time and the numbers are rapidly nearing the lower safe level (50 mg/dL on a human meter; 68 mg/dL on a pet meter, divide by 18 for mmol/L), go with Karo as it brings up the glucose quickly.
See for example, the near hypo we prevented last night in Feline Health here.
 
Thanks BJ--
I am wondering more for trying to level him out as he is a early diver.
I don't know if it is better to give kayro and then LC to get him safe and hopefully surf or a spoon of HC -
Wondering if the HC will have more impact on the next pre shot number? Is it true that kayro will abort the whole cycle?
Or is a 50/50??
 
Karo (or any sugary syrup) will bring glucose numbers up quickly, but will also wear off quickly. Usually karo would be used if the numbers get down into a hypo area. If the numbers are lower but not in an area of concern, you could try LC or MC and retest 20-30 minutes after. Sometimes that will be enough to keep them surfing. It is all going to depend on how fast and how low the numbers are dropping.
 
jayla-n-Drevon said:
I am wondering more for trying to level him out as he is a early diver.
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For the early diver, front-loading more of the food may help, plus another installment at +2 and maybe +4. You might try waiting 30 minutes after feeding, too. Additionally, you might experiment with carb levels, feeding slightly higher carb first (8-10%), then lower (3-5%) at later feedings.
 
I'm experimenting with the front loading carbs right now BJ...his numbers are almost exactly what they were last night on half the dose...actually his +3 is exactly the same as last night.... started a little 7% (highest i have besides HC) at his +2... will see how it works compared to last night by his +4 and 5 numbers
 
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I'm experimenting with the front loading carbs right now BJ...his numbers are almost exactly what they were last night on half the dose...actually his +3 is exactly the same as last night.... started a little 7% (highest i have besides HC) at his +2... will see how it works compared to last night by his +4 and 5 numbers
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I have recently found 13-18% is helping slow our early drops.
I try to avoid the HC 25+ carbs :bighug:
 
You can mix the different carb levels together - a 50/50 mix would be roughly halfway between the carb levels.

Since you're already doing the carb changes, maybe add in a delay of 15-30 minutes before you shoot.

The real kicker is to see what he does by +4! And he's not diving! Hooray!!!
 
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I fell into my vetsulin habit anyway tonight, tested and fed 30 min before his injection... then realized I did it... testing him again in 10, thats +4...we'll see if it makes a difference!
 
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jayla-n-Drevon said:
Is it true that kayro will abort the whole cycle?
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No. Not necessarily.

Simple sugars like karo/honey/glucose act very quickly in the system, but they also tend to wear off relatively quickly.

I think it's more likely that giving high carb food (particularly dry food) will abort the cycle. And I have seen this done occasionally when a caregiver has seen low numbers early the cycle, but wasn't going to be around later on to monitor the cat's blood glucose. The cat needed a longer-acting source of carbs in those instances.

In my own cat I have, on a number of occasions, used tiny amounts of glucose syrup to slow down blood glucose that is dropping too fast, and have still managed to end up with a very nice insulin cycle (with good numbers).

It all depends on the situation, and how the individual cat responds to insulin and food.... :rolleyes:
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No. Not necessarily.

Simple sugars like karo/honey/glucose act very quickly in the system, but they also tend to wear off relatively quickly.

I think it's more likely that giving high carb food (particularly dry food) will abort the cycle. And I have seen this done occasionally when a caregiver has seen low numbers early the cycle, but wasn't going to be around later on to monitor the cat's blood glucose. The cat needed a longer-acting source of carbs in those instances.

In my own cat I have, on a number of occasions, used tiny amounts of glucose syrup to slow down blood glucose that is dropping too fast, and have still managed to end up with a very nice insulin cycle (with good numbers).

It all depends on the situation, and how the individual cat responds to insulin and food.... :rolleyes:
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Thank you.... this is kind what I was trying to "spit out" I am trying to avoid the HC lingering in the system without aborting the cycle. I was wondering about just what you said... if I gave a drop of kayro instead of food so he won't have to deal with those carbs for the next cycle... and he is on a diet:rolleyes:
I am comforted to know it is ok--I will do some experimenting and see what works... Thank you!:bighug:
 
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