Has anyone managed IV fluids at home?

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SusanandOwen

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As some of you know, my darling cat Owen has had a rough week. He's been on IV fluids since last Sunday, with the exception of the night before last, when the vet allowed us to try bringing him home and doing subQ fluids instead. He was comfortable overnight but the following morning, his appetite was poor and we ended up taking him back to the vet, who told us his BUN had gone up 20 pts (it was already high) and he needed to get back on the IV.

He therefore has been spending his nights at the emergency clinic so his IV can be monitored, and then goes back to the regular vet in the morning to spend the day. Prior to the night he briefly came home, he was doing pretty well with his BG; it was staying between 80-220 on 1u. Since yesterday, the swings have been bigger - up to around 440, which I attribute to us feeding him whatever he will tolerate, but we are still able to get him down around 80 with a reasonable dose (1.5u)

Our big problem at the moment is the BUN value (150 last night, so sky high.) Our regular vet says that explains why he stopped eating. (He *was* eating OK at 120, which is apparently very unusual, and encouraging to the vet - which is one reason they let us try taking him home. We did syringe feed him when he stopped eating voluntarily, but it probably cut his calories by a quarter or maybe even a third. As of this morning, after being on the IV all night at the e-clinic, he scarfed down a pretty decent amount of breakfast and looked much brighter, so the drip is clearly helping a lot.

The vet feels that he can get that BUN back down, slowly but surely, by keeping him on that IV drip. That's great, of course, and I am grateful... but it means that he spends the entire day at the vet's and then at the e-clinic all night so someone can monitor the drip. As much as I hate to even consider the cost... it is becoming really difficult financially. We are over $6k in charges at this point with no end in sight, and I am wondering if there is any possibility of being able to keep him on the IV at home overnight, instead of incurring those fees on a daily basis. It's not like they are doing a lot of intervention nor even running labs overnight, and I am very comfortable testing his BG. I think he would rest better at home than in the e-clinic, too. They are a busy emergency service so the lights are on all night & there is lots of activity; doesn't seem like that would be ideal for my poor exhausted kitty IF it's possible to make sure he stays hydrated at home. The subQ fluids didn't get the job done adequately, so I don't think that's an option right now.

Has anyone managed a cat on an IV at home? Is it reasonable to ask the vet to reconsider it?
 
It may be possible. The only way I think that can work is if you have a crate for him to limit his movement. A 42" wire dog kennel might work. It is big enough for a litterbox, a place to stretch out and food dishes. The bag could rest on top of the crate or be hung from the cage. The tubing needs to be long enough to go from the bag to the back of the crate. They would need to show you how to check the IV site for signs of infection and how to clean it when needed. If the IV slipped out of the vein, it would cause swelling and pain in that area (it sure did in me) and you would need to remove it, bandage the site, and go back to the vet to have another inserted.

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BJM said:
It may be possible. The only way I think that can work is if you have a crate for him to limit his movement. A 42" wire dog kennel might work. It is big enough for a litterbox, a place to stretch out and food dishes. The bag could rest on top of the crate or be hung from the cage. The tubing needs to be long enough to go from the bag to the back of the crate. They would need to show you how to check the IV site for signs of infection and how to clean it when needed. If the IV slipped out of the vein, it would cause swelling and pain in that area (it sure did in me) and you would need to remove it, bandage the site, and go back to the vet to have another inserted.

If you haven't been to Tanya's CRF site, here is the link

Thanks very much. What you describe is exactly what I was thinking. He's handled the IV for almost a week now with no problem and is tolerating it well. I could get a big dog crate similar to the cage size at the vet's, drill a hole in the top to put the line through so it hangs from the ceiling of the crate just like at the vet's cage set up. We don't sleep well now anyway, worrying about how he is so I figure getting up a few times a night to check on him isn't going to be a big deal.

For the record, I am only contemplating doing this at night... he would continue to go to the regular vet's each day for monitoring and blood work as he is doing now, so he'd have daily oversight from them for at least 8-10 hours per day. Their rate is much more manageable than having him at the e-clinic (where he is currently going every night.)

My thought is that if I can get our daily cost down to $500-600 instead of the current $1000-1500, I can treat him longer and hopefully get him healthy again. My DH and I have discussed what we can reasonably spend and have set a limit of $10k. We are over $6K now after only a week, and the vet keeps saying, "we have a long road ahead of us." At the current rate... I am afraid I am going to run out of money before he is well enough to come home.
 
You may have to get him out of the crate with the IV attached; in that case, you couldn't hang the tubing through the center.
 
BJM said:
You may have to get him out of the crate with the IV attached; in that case, you couldn't hang the tubing through the center.

I am OK with connecting/disconnecting the IV similar to what they are doing at the vet's... right now that happens a few times a day when he leaves the e-clinic to go the regular vet's, and at night when he goes back. They also disconnect him to let him walk around a bit during the day; I am sure they could show me how to do it if necessary. Although as far as I am aware, he is not taken out of his cage at all at night, when he's at the e-clinic.
 
If you are only giving a little at a time, you should not have to crate him. It's be a while since I have had to give a cat fluids so I don't remember the quantity for each unit of measure, but usually I was giving 1 unit at a time.

Hang the bag higher than the cat. I usually kept my bag on a clothes hanger with a rotating hook which makes it easier to find a place to hang it. Usually, I have my cat lay down below where I am hanging the bag on a table or counter. Tent the skin like you are going to give insulin and insert the needle. Turn on the valve and let the fluid flow. Usually with my cats, I give 1 unit using the numbering on the bag.

When finished you will see the skin bulge some, don't worry that is normal. The fluids will work their way through the body. Just remember to close the valve before pulling the needle out.

I have found if you pet your cat or feed them treats while getting fluids, they usually cooperate about laying there the few minutes it gives fluids. Depending on the flow, it probably will not take but 2 - 3 minutes to give fluids.
 
Lisa and Witn (GA) said:
If you are only giving a little at a time, you should not have to crate him. It's be a while since I have had to give a cat fluids so I don't remember the quantity for each unit of measure, but usually I was giving 1 unit at a time.

Hang the bag higher than the cat. I usually kept my bag on a clothes hanger with a rotating hook which makes it easier to find a place to hang it. Usually, I have my cat lay down below where I am hanging the bag on a table or counter. Tent the skin like you are going to give insulin and insert the needle. Turn on the valve and let the fluid flow. Usually with my cats, I give 1 unit using the numbering on the bag.

When finished you will see the skin bulge some, don't worry that is normal. The fluids will work their way through the body. Just remember to close the valve before pulling the needle out.

I have found if you pet your cat or feed them treats while getting fluids, they usually cooperate about laying there the few minutes it gives fluids. Depending on the flow, it probably will not take but 2 - 3 minutes to give fluids.

Sorry, I missed the part in your original post where it looks like you have already tried subq.
 
Complete shot in the dark here, but I know that some of the techs and a couple of my vets will take an animal home with them if they are in critical condition, so they can monitor them at home. You might as your regular vet if that is even a possibility. Of course I'm in a very small town with limited vets and no true ER vet. So that might be why they are easier to get to go the extra mile, but can't hurt to ask.

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they should be able to put in a heploc...IV cathetar that stays in the vein.... that way you just have to insert needle through that. the needle/per say stays in and you just wipe off the port and insert IV needle into that. when done, remove IV needle and port is still in vein.
they may be afraid to let you do this cause fluids may end up going in too fast and this can cause fluid overload but worth checking into
 
Thanks....

He does have the heploc catheter, so running fluids is just "plugging into" that - not hitting a vein. That's why I was thinking it might be manageable at home. Unfortunately, Owen didn't have a great day today and coming home isn't in the cards at the moment.

I did speak to the vet this evening for quite a long time. When I got to the clinic, to be honest Owen looked awful. Up to this point, he might have been feeling reallllllly bad but he still looked like Owen, if that makes sense. He has always brightened up when we come in to see him. Tonight he just laid there and barely seemed to even recognize we were there. My DH said that was how he was at lunchtime when he went to visit as well. His labs were mixed. His phosphorus was significantly better today, but his BUN only fell a couple of points.

I was really devastated and asked the vet to give me some idea of where we are with respect to his prospects for recovery. I feel like I have no idea of where we are on the continuum of "likely to get better" vs. "unlikely to get better." I told him I needed to understand if we were looking at something like a 10% chance of recovery, or a 70%+ chance. I did not want to continue to make him live on IV fluids, deal with the urinary catheter and being stuck with needles all day long if there is not a reasonable chance of him recovering and having a good quality of life. At that moment I was just in total despair. I was stroking Owen's fur and asking him if he wanted to keep going, and he kind of turned away. I believe animals tell us when it's time to stop fighting, and I almost felt like that is what he was saying.

But I just couldn't do it.

The vet then said, "Look - that day we tried to send him home on subQ fluids set us back. We are now kind of back to where we were on day one. His BUN is way below where it was that first day, and remember it didn't come down a lot until over 48 hours later. I am not seeing anything that tells me that it's unlikely we can get back on that path and get him to respond again now that he is back on the IV fluids. I think there is a reasonable chance that we could see significant improvement again in a day or two."

I asked him what the best case scenario would be. What are we looking for tomorrow or Sunday or Monday that would be an indication that he can recover from this. And the vet said he would want to see significant improvement in the BUN values by Sunday, and have Owen eating more like he did on Tuesday, when he did pretty well on his own. He said if that was the case, he might even be able to be discharged Monday or Tuesday and do OK with subQ fluids... and that if that happens, he feels that he has a very good chance of recovering well and having a very good quality of life.

So we decided to give it a try. That meant taking Owen back to the e-clinic for the evening, and I asked if I could just carry him in a towel instead of putting him back in the carrier which he doesn't like. I figured he wasn't exactly up for running away, so no point in confining him, and it gave me a chance to snuggle with him a bit. So I start carrying him out to the car and he almost jumped out of my arms! I was so happy. Once in the car, he really perked up and started yowling a bit, and wanting to walk on the dash. All of a sudden, he looked like Owen again. He sat up the whole way to the e-clinic and took an interest in his surroundings, which was very encouraging to me. When we got to the e-clinic, I was happy to see that the vet who first cared for him was there - she did a great job with him and really likes him - she's called about him daily and keeps telling him, "I just know you are going to do really well and come back and visit me when you're all better." When we left him at the e-clinic, he was alert and comfortable and looked way better than he had earlier.

So I do think that we made the right decision to keep going. The vet has assured us that Owen may not feel great, but he is not in pain and he is handling the treatment well. I thank you all more than I can say for your kind thoughts and prayers.
 
Sandy and Brie said:
Continuing prayers for Owen. I hope he gets better soon. It is so hard to see our babies sick.

Sandy

Thank you Sandy! We really appreciate everyone's kind thoughts and prayers.
 
RichNW & Rex said:
{{{{Susan}}}} Hugz to you and Owen. Sending prayers for Owen and You!!!


Thank you so much, Rich. I can't tell you how much the support here has meant - it is keeping me sane.

Owen was a bit improved this morning. When we got to the e-clinic to pick him up, he was out of his cage ... the tech said he was meowing loudly and pawing at the bars to get out, so they let him come out for a while. He was curled up on a little cushion hanging out with the tech. They did get his BG down quite a bit last night which was great also. He will stay at the regular vet's til they close at 2 pm today, then back to the e-clinic for the rest of today and tomorrow. We are really hoping to have significant improvement by Monday.
 
dian and wheezer said:
I must have missed it but what was his initial DX. did/does he have P titis?

Yes, he has pancreatitis, an enlarged kidney, reduced kidney function, and his BG is poorly regulated at the moment.
 
I have one with chronic pancreatitis. Are they treating him for a kidney infection? My diabetic Brie was diagnosed with enlarged kidneys and he was started on baytril. With baytril and subq fluids his creat came down from 3.9 to 2.4 in a few weeks. I'm guessing Owen's creat is higher. Luckily Brie didn't end up in the ER. We found the elevated levels in his annual blood work. He was asymptomatic. Lucky I did the bloodwork when I did.

Sandy
 
Sandy and Brie said:
I have one with chronic pancreatitis. Are they treating him for a kidney infection? My diabetic Brie was diagnosed with enlarged kidneys and he was started on baytril. With baytril and subq fluids his creat came down from 3.9 to 2.4 in a few weeks. I'm guessing Owen's creat is higher. Luckily Brie didn't end up in the ER. We found the elevated levels in his annual blood work. He was asymptomatic. Lucky I did the bloodwork when I did.

Sandy

Hi Sandy,

Yes, they are treating him for infection - fortunately his WBC numbers are normal now. Owen's creatinine numbers are just over 4 now, down from where they started, but still too high. He is improving, but really slowly. The ER vet feels like the priority now is getting and keeping him re-hydrated, which has been a problem. He pushed a bolus of fluids earlier this afternoon and that brightened him up a good bit. We just got back from visiting him and we got him to eat about a third of a can or so. I wouldn't say it was entirely voluntary - he's clearly still dealing with some nausea - but when I put the food in his mouth he was willing to chew and swallow it. He is moving around more, which is also helping his temperature regulation. So hopefully we are on the right track tonight. Glad to hear your boy is doing well :)
 
Poor Owen has kidney issues and pancreatitis and now his diabetes. Hopefully by Monday he will have better kidney numbers. In pancreatitis it is very important that they remain hydrated. Many times with just pancreatitis alone these cat are very nauseated and can have pain. Cats are very good at hiding pain. I'm guessing the vets will have you do subq fluids at home daily. Make sure you ask about meds for nausea. When Vandow first came home from his hospitalization for pancreatitis he was on subq anzemet. He now gets zofran twice a day. Zofran and anzemet have similar actions. When he is especially bad he also get cerenia. I give this usually 4 days on and 2 days off. You may want to have something for pain on hand as well. I give Vandow buprene. I've done that both subq and by mouth. Ask about pepcid as well. I was lucky that we caught Brie's kidney problems when we did and that was at the end of June. In October I took him in for a follow up US just because I wanted to see what his kidneys looked like. Unfortunately they found cancer. Another US in November was even worse. The radiologist felt it most likely is large cell lymphoma. So far Brie is doing well. I opted not to do the biopsies so they can't say for sure what his exact diagnosis is. When Brie had the US that showed he had enlarged kidneys they wanted to do biopsies as well. Luckily the antibiotics helped. He now has CKD most likely from the kidney infection. When we went through the kidney infection his urine cultures from his bladder never grew anything. Now cancer but we are dealing. For as sick as he is on the inside he looks great. Continuing prayers for your baby.

Sandy
 
Sandy and Brie said:
Poor Owen has kidney issues and pancreatitis and now his diabetes. Hopefully by Monday he will have better kidney numbers. In pancreatitis it is very important that they remain hydrated. Many times with just pancreatitis alone these cat are very nauseated and can have pain. Cats are very good at hiding pain. I'm guessing the vets will have you do subq fluids at home daily. Make sure you ask about meds for nausea. When Vandow first came home from his hospitalization for pancreatitis he was on subq anzemet. He now gets zofran twice a day. Zofran and anzemet have similar actions. When he is especially bad he also get cerenia. I give this usually 4 days on and 2 days off. You may want to have something for pain on hand as well. I give Vandow buprene. I've done that both subq and by mouth. Ask about pepcid as well. I was lucky that we caught Brie's kidney problems when we did and that was at the end of June. In October I took him in for a follow up US just because I wanted to see what his kidneys looked like. Unfortunately they found cancer. Another US in November was even worse. The radiologist felt it most likely is large cell lymphoma. So far Brie is doing well. I opted not to do the biopsies so they can't say for sure what his exact diagnosis is. When Brie had the US that showed he had enlarged kidneys they wanted to do biopsies as well. Luckily the antibiotics helped. He now has CKD most likely from the kidney infection. When we went through the kidney infection his urine cultures from his bladder never grew anything. Now cancer but we are dealing. For as sick as he is on the inside he looks great. Continuing prayers for your baby.

Sandy

Hi Sandy,
I am so sorry to hear about the cancer, but very glad that Brie is still doing well!!

You are correct that Owen did have some nausea, which seems well controlled at the moment. He's been on IV fluids and I suspect that will continue for at least a few more days. He is eating a lot better - still with a lot of encouragement, for sure, but he's certainly doing much better than he was yesterday. He's been on Cerenia, and bup also for pain management. His kidney numbers are improved today, which is encouraging. His BUN has been really high but came down almost 40 pts as of this afternoon. We need to keep that up. DH and I go every four hours to visit him at the e-clinic and to feed him, because he eats better for us, according to the techs. We are making progress.

I will say prayers for you and for Brie. {{{HUGS}}}
 
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