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I've been starting to think about moving east. It's just so crazy crowded over here on the west side of the state! But y'all get those crazy hot summers and freezing winters. Might be worth it to have a bit more breathing room though. Plus, it's so beautiful over there!
 
Djamila said:
I've been starting to think about moving east. It's just so crazy crowded over here on the west side of the state! But y'all get those crazy hot summers and freezing winters. Might be worth it to have a bit more breathing room though. Plus, it's so beautiful over there!
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Our new neighbors just moved here from the east side. Property prices are a lot cheaper and, yes, it is beautiful! And, yes hot summers, but the winters have been pretty mild. Well, coming from CO and WI, the winters around here are nuthin'!!!
 
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Our new neighbors just moved here from the east side. Property prices are a lot cheaper and, yes, it is beautiful! And, yes hot summers, but the winters have been pretty mild. Well, coming from CO and WI, the winters around here are nuthin'!!!
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I can well imagine, she says from Ottawa, Canada - second coldest national capital in the world after Moscow. ;)
 
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It's okay. He's just bouncing. He's probably not all that used to blues. Although they may have had something to do with those blacks the other day, too. Hang in there. He'll settle down.
 
586 +12. So I looked around on the site to find something about "bouncing" as I really don't know what that means. Is there a post or something I can read?
 
primalkitty said:
586 +12. So I looked around on the site to find something about "bouncing" as I really don't know what that means. Is there a post or something I can read?
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I wrote this for someone else quite a while ago. Maybe it'll help:

Here's how it works:
  1. BG goes low OR lower than usual OR drops too quickly.
  2. Kitty's body panics and thinks there's danger (OMG! My BG is too low!).
  3. Complex physiologic processes take glycogen stored in the liver (I think of it as "bounce fuel"), convert it to glucose and dump it into the bloodstream to counteract the perceived dangerously low BG.
  4. These processes go into overdrive in kitties who are bounce prone and keep the BG propped up varying lengths of time (AKA bouncing).
  5. Bounce prone kitty repeats this until his body learns that healthy low numbers are safe. Some kitties are slow learners.
  6. Too high a dose of insulin can keep them bouncing over and over until the " bounce fuel" runs out and they crash - ie., have a hypo episode. That's why we worry so much about kitties that have had too high a starting dose prescribed by the vet and the owner isn't home testing.
  7. Many vets have little/no understanding of the bouncing phenomenon.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
I wrote this for someone else quite a while ago. Maybe it'll help:

Here's how it works:
  1. BG goes low OR lower than usual OR drops too quickly.
  2. Kitty's body panics and thinks there's danger (OMG! My BG is too low!).
  3. Complex physiologic processes take glycogen stored in the liver (I think of it as "bounce fuel"), convert it to glucose and dump it into the bloodstream to counteract the perceived dangerously low BG.
  4. These processes go into overdrive in kitties who are bounce prone and keep the BG propped up varying lengths of time (AKA bouncing).
  5. Bounce prone kitty repeats this until his body learns that healthy low numbers are safe. Some kitties are slow learners.
  6. Too high a dose of insulin can keep them bouncing over and over until the " bounce fuel" runs out and they crash - ie., have a hypo episode. That's why we worry so much about kitties that have had too high a starting dose prescribed by the vet and the owner isn't home testing.
  7. Many vets have little/no understanding of the bouncing phenomenon.
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Thank you thank you!!! So, anything I can tell my "slow learner"???? :p
 
Starting to get wonky numbers may actually be a good sign. It sometimes indicates that you're getting closer to a dose that will bring some good insulin responses. I'm going to make a stab in the dark here and guess that his nadir is around +5 or +6, so anytime you can grab a test in that range it might help catch some more of those blues. Any chance your weekend would let you run at least a mini curve? There are a few options: one is to test every two hours for the whole cycle. That's what is traditionally meant by a curve. Other people do a +3, +6, +9 test. You can also just curve around the most likely nadir, so start testing at +4, then +5, +6, etc. until you start to see a rising number. That version gives you some time earlier and later in the day when you aren't tied to the house, and still has a high chance of capturing what you need. I find the side-by-side tests to be really helpful in finding the nadir. It does move around sometimes, but it at least gives you an idea of the time you're most likely to catch the lowest number.
 
Djamila said:
Starting to get wonky numbers may actually be a good sign. It sometimes indicates that you're getting closer to a dose that will bring some good insulin responses. I'm going to make a stab in the dark here and guess that his nadir is around +5 or +6, so anytime you can grab a test in that range it might help catch some more of those blues. Any chance your weekend would let you run at least a mini curve? There are a few options: one is to test every two hours for the whole cycle. That's what is traditionally meant by a curve. Other people do a +3, +6, +9 test. You can also just curve around the most likely nadir, so start testing at +4, then +5, +6, etc. until you start to see a rising number. That version gives you some time earlier and later in the day when you aren't tied to the house, and still has a high chance of capturing what you need. I find the side-by-side tests to be really helpful in finding the nadir. It does move around sometimes, but it at least gives you an idea of the time you're most likely to catch the lowest number.
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I can't do to much of a curve this weekend because we are doing tours, hauling hay and buckin' bales. I did just get a +5 and got a blue! 198 I will try to get a couple more after our next tour slot and between hauling and unloading.

Thank you!!!
 
WOOT WOOT!!!! My G'iffy is back :joyful: Today he came down into my workshop for the first time since December and did his usual roll around on the sewing machine and getting into the 'nip. It used to be "our thing" and I have missed it so much! His numbers are still a work in progress, but he is definitely feeling better.

:bighug: to all of you for helping to bring him back!!!!
 

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That's great! :joyful: I definitely remember the first time Maury did one of "our things" a few months into insulin therapy. Makes us sooo happy
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I think you might try the 4.75U next too, in a day or two. It looks like he may still be bouncing from those blues on 4.5U :bookworm: but like Rachel said, he still has a good amount to safely give lower blues :cool:
 
Maybe it's because of the number of kitties who have come down with DKA in the past couple of weeks, but I would go ahead with the increase and try to get those numbers down. Feeling nervous about kitties with high numbers right now.
 
That black is out of nowhere huh? Any chance of a mid cycle number tonight? I tend to be on the side of increasing because you've gotten a couple mid cycles lately and they've been flat...but it COULD be from a bounce cycle. Lol basically I'm on both sides!!

Okay, I'll just tell you what I'd do if it was me. I'd get a mid cycle tonight if I could (if you can't, I get it). I think I might increase tomorrow though because as Djamila says, you don't want to hang in the high numbers for too long...and you have been getting some pink mid cycles lately. That's just MY thoughts though...I see what Yong means about not increasing on a bounce cycle, but maybe an increase tomorrow AM would help give time to clear it if it WAS a bounce....

Either way, do you test for ketones?
 
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That black is out of nowhere huh? Any chance of a mid cycle number tonight? I tend to be on the side of increasing because you've gotten a couple mid cycles lately and they've been flat...but it COULD be from a bounce cycle. Lol basically I'm on both sides!!

Okay, I'll just tell you what I'd do if it was me. I'd get a mid cycle tonight if I could (if you can't, I get it). I think I might increase tomorrow though because as Djamila says, you don't want to hang in the high numbers for too long...and you have been getting some pink mid cycles lately. That's just MY thoughts though...I see what Yong means about not increasing on a bounce cycle, but maybe an increase tomorrow AM would help give time to clear it if it WAS a bounce....

Either way, do you test for ketones?
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I tested for ketones a couple days ago, negative.

I can do a before bedtime which will be a +2 and then try for one through the night.

Oh, it is time for his pre-shot/feed test. I will go do that right now and post in a few.
 
I suggest moving up to 4.75 u. The more mid cycle/before bed tests you can get, the better (yeah, I know - broken record!) but I'm basing this on the blues he had on 4.25 u. At this point, I wouldn't stay more than 3 days on an ineffective dose. It can contribute to insulin resistance - ie., they get "stuck".
 
Kris & Teasel said:
I suggest moving up to 4.75 u. The more mid cycle/before bed tests you can get, the better (yeah, I know - broken record!) but I'm basing this on the blues he had on 4.25 u. At this point, I wouldn't stay more than 3 days on an ineffective dose. It can contribute to insulin resistance - ie., they get "stuck".
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Okie dokie, I will raise today. +6 was 353

Thank you!
 
I think I would. We'd like to get him down and I think you just need to keep moving up to hopefully break through any resistance that's going on.
 
Hello all,
I am going out of town for a day 1/2, so hubby will be doing the insulin. He doesn't do testing, so hoping all goes well. Griff is doing well. I noticed he isn't as water obsessed and isn't peeing as much. I am guessing that means we are getting closer to a good dose. His numbers are not showing much difference.

Also, was gone all day yesterday so couldn't get any mid-cycle readings.
 
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