Going to the Vet This Weekend-Guidance Requested

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gorillahowl

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I'm taking Wendell to the vet tomorrow or Saturday. I'm concerned that the howling has not stopped, but increased to during the day (when I'm home).

I haven't been taking his bg but will before I take him so I don't have to pay $45 for the vet to do it. When I was taking it it was in the 200s - 300s.


Issues:
He's obviously in pain. I'm not sure it's related to the diabetes OR dementia. He sounds like he's crying out in pain. Sometimes he's just laying down, and out of nowhere, he'll yelp.

Out of nowhere, Wendell started pooping on the floor this week. Still peeing in the box. My thoughts: Arthritis (hurts to crouch, and he had an X-Ray a few months ago that a vet we didn't like said could be arthritis but chose not to treat it) or some sort of GI issue. Poops are nice and soft, though. I did just buy him a new scent of litter, but that's never bothered him before and it's the same brand we've always used. Any other ideas to bring up with the vet as to why he's doing this? Should I bring a poop sample if I can get one?

Cost is obviously a huge issue. The vet has been pushing for an $80 blood pressure test. This seems unnecessary. . . and wouldn't his pressure be raised by the stress of being at the vet anyway?

Any other thoughts welcome. Thanks.
 
Frequently the BP will be higher at ve than at home. This is especially true if the cat gets stressed at the vet. usually the vet can take a measurement(s) and tell if the BP is higher even with stress being present.
I have not other suggestions.
Sending purrs and prayers for a vet visit the meets your and Wendell's needs. Whatever you decide with be the right decision.
 
Maybe try some painkillers? if it goes away then you know its pain.

Change the cat litter back to the previous scent and see if that helps the pooping - sometimes they can be funny about these things.

Are you going to ask the vet about hyper-t?

Also my tiggy does that at night if i dont tire him out before bed..
 
Yes on the hypo! Thanks, I knew I was missing something; hence, this post.
I'm basically going in to say, "You have one more chance to fix this and one more chance to bleed me dry of all my money. And don't tell me he's just confused. He is in PAIN. if you can't at least give me something to make him comfortable, then this is over. I'm not going to let my baby suffer any more."
 
Just a correction....not hypo---hyper-t which means hyperthyroid. He should be checked for that and make sure his values are good. If he does have a high hyper-t level, that can be corrected. An unchecked thyroid can lead to problems and also a speeding up of the heart. Ask the vet to do a thyroid test on him to rule that in or out.
 
Duly noted. But wouldn't he be losing weight if he was hyper-? Because he's not. And his appetite hasn't increased. His only symptom, from what I can see, is crankiness. Is that worth getting his thyroid tested?
 
First, Re : BP.
It is taken at least 5 times and the number is averaged ( they only check the systolic # in cats). One number is usually discarded from the average if it is severely off from the others.
Stress is accounted for in cats, by using a higher cut off number. A cat is usually considered high when readings are 170 and/or above. Obviously, the demeanor of the individual cat is also taken into consideration. eg for one of my cats, we used the 180 as cutoff. ECID ! : )

If possible, the BP will be taken first thing, before any other exam is done,as to lessen the stress and/or making sure the cat is taken in to it's appointment right away (wait in the car or private waiting room ) , so as to not be subject to dogs, other animals that might upset it. Many vets will have the owner hold their cat during the process, so they can talk to and pet their kitty to help keep it calm. That depends on the cat, and the vet.
Many vet's do not want any owners in the treatment area,b/c of other patients and also there is a liability factor involved. I have done it both ways. No difference in results. I have also taken my cats in a separate door, and had it done after they have already been poked and prodded. Personally, there hasn't really been any difference. No they weren't relaxed at the vet's kitties. The car ride alone did it. My vet feels that if they are there for awhile, they actually start to chill a bit and the stress level will not rise more. I think the important thing to remember, is that vet's factor stress in when reading the numbers.

BP screening should be a regular part of a senior cat's annual exam ( starting around age 7-8 ) .
Just as in humans, controlling BP, and finding it early, can prevent other problems.
Disorientation is one possible symptom of HBP, which would, of course, cause yowling.
HBP can also result in retinal detachment (vision problems and eventual blindness). If caught early, and HBP treated,it is often reversible. I bring this up as other members shared in your previous thread, that their cats had poor vision, which caused them distress and subsequently yowling.

HERE is a nice write from The Cat's Meow Veterinary Hospital, on BP monitoring in cats.

Both Winnie(GA) and Wolfie(GA) had high BP and took norvasc for that. It was an easy treatment.

Yowling is not generally a sign a pain. It is a sign of distress and disorientation. A cat in pain will hide, refuse food, and in severe pain will tremor.Wendall is not showing these signs. That is why I do not thing he has pain. ( Yes cats will Me-ouch! If they get a tail stepped on or something acute in nature like that )
Distress/disorientation, are possible. Besides the dementia, poor eyesight, HBP and HT as possibilities(more on that below), sometimes hearing loss can cause this. Does he respond well to sound w/o also seeing what is happening ?
Tanya's CKD ( Chronic Kidney Disease) website, states that howling is common in cats w/ CKD (aka CRF/CRD)
Scroll down this link to where it has howling as a header. They list HBP as the main culprit . HBP is common w/ CRD. Has Wendall has his kidney values checked ? Alos, sometimes w/ CRF, electrolytes get off balance, and that might have an effect.

Although, your kitty is not showing other common signs of hyper T, it is certainly worth a blood test, as that is generally a part of a sr. kitty( over 7/8) annual panel as well.
My Winnie, had paradoxical symptoms of HT. Instead of eating a lot, she lost her appy.

Winnie was a yowler when she got older. She would go off to the basement and yowl. I would find her or call her and offer her comfort. She would be," Oh, ok here you are, everything's ok. " They often go off for some more yowling. As mentioned to you before, I used white noise, so it did not disrupt my sleep.
Yes ! you need your sleep ! Did you try some white noise yet ? I hope that helped.
If you couldn't get a good sleep sound from the app store or the net, fans/air purifiers also work well. I can't sleep w/o a fan any more .

Feliaway might help. It has kitty pheromones that is calming and soothing to them. It comes in a spray and in a room diffuser. Certainly worth a try. Benign to the cat.

If dementia turns out to be the issue, your vet might give Wendall some medication -- either anti anxiety meds or a light sedative at bedtime or anti histamine. ( obviously, if it is something else you want to treat that ) I know of one person that did this to great success. Of course, it depends on his kidney function, BP etc.. as to what he could take. I started to write more about that. But leave it there for now, if you go that route post back about it and I'm sure there will be a lot of good information shared.
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I touched on a couple things that were in my post that went "poof". I think this is long enough.
Will get to that later today, k?

Best to you and Wendall.
 
I have a Hyperthyroid kitty, Smokey. He's always been a hard keeper (eats a ton, but always thin) and active. He started acting weird several months back, yowling, getting thinner, acting like he has dementia and wobbly. He is 17 so we thought it might be age until he started acting more and more bizarre and more wobbly, peeing a lot and out of the litter box. We took him into the vet and his Thyroid levels (which we have checked every year) were now off the charts as well as he had developed a heart murmur.

Doing surgery or the radiation treatment on a 17 year old cat is cost prohibitive. So, the vet put him on the oral thyroid meds and after toying with the dosage (he's on 2mg of compounded Methimazole a day). It isn't that expensive, maybe $15 a month. He isn't acting crazy anymore, his balance has been restored, he is picking up weight and acting all around a lot better. Worth a try if your cat's T4 levels are high.
 
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