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1. Opinions on 9lives and Friskies wet foods? I see most people use Fancy Feast and i do too, but it looks like those have good stats too. Anything wrong with them?

2. Could I use chicken as part of his main diet, and how much? We are giving him bits of chicken as treats (boiled and cooled, completely pain, cut really tiny). And i still want to stay with canned food for the nutrients, so could i replace a quarter or a half of his meals with chicken

3. Any experiences or links for wet food for a cat who had urinary crystals? My other cat's vet says the current rx food is safest, but its so high in carbs and the wet version is so expensive. I've looked through Dr Lisas food list but magnesium and calcium arent on there, and the vet said something about the minerals needing to be in the right ratio, so im confused. Vet also said regular meat is too high in phosphorous, is that true?

Thank you!
 
What type of crystals are you dealing with?

Did you see Dr. Lisa's page on urinary issues? https://catinfo.org/feline-urinary-tract-diseases/ There is a section on crystals and diet. A week after Neko was diagnosed with diabetes, her buddy was diagnosed with idiopathic cystitis, which included some crystals. His vet put him on the Rx food, but Neko kept trying to steal it, which did her no good. I got tired of policing so asked his vet for an alternative both could eat. She recommended raw food, which I switched them to. Turns out any low carb/low phosphorus would do for both.

The phosphorus count of meat depends partly on the type of protein and for raw, whether there is ground bone in it. Some raw foods use egg shell calcium and not ground bone and is thus lower phosphorus.

Yes you can supplement his food with some chicken. Not sure I'd go as high as 1/2 his food as you'd be diluting the necessary nutrients.

I've never fed 9Lives or Friskies, but have seen some people here do that. Maybe a bit higher carb%?
 
Billy the Kat Parent said:
Any experiences or links for wet food for a cat who had urinary crystals
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Tyler was blocked once, had to take him to the ER ,

He had struvite crystals ,I needed to change his food.

The food that was suggested by the ER was too high in carbs so I found this and have been feeding this , never raised his BG and knock on wood hadn't been blocked since

Purina Pro Plan Urinary Tract Health Beef & Chicken Entree flavor Pate

Purina Pro Plan Urinary Tract Health Chicken Entree

They are both low carb and low in phosphorus


The Purina Pro Plan Urinary Tract Health islow carb and low phosphorus
Beef and Chicken Entree pate
Carbs are around 4.80
Phosphorus is 1.44 dry matter

They also have Chicken Entree in Gravy which isn't pate it like tiny pieces of chicken like the size of a chicklet piece of gum lol remember them, they are like tiny tiny chunks
Carbs are 4.5
Phosphorus 0.78 dry matter

@Billy the Kat Parent
 
Wendy&Neko said:
What type of crystals are you dealing with?

Did you see Dr. Lisa's page on urinary issues? https://catinfo.org/feline-urinary-tract-diseases/ There is a section on crystals and diet. A week after Neko was diagnosed with diabetes, her buddy was diagnosed with idiopathic cystitis, which included some crystals. His vet put him on the Rx food, but Neko kept trying to steal it, which did her no good. I got tired of policing so asked his vet for an alternative both could eat. She recommended raw food, which I switched them to. Turns out any low carb/low phosphorus would do for both.

The phosphorus count of meat depends partly on the type of protein and for raw, whether there is ground bone in it. Some raw foods use egg shell calcium and not ground bone and is thus lower phosphorus.

Yes you can supplement his food with some chicken. Not sure I'd go as high as 1/2 his food as you'd be diluting the necessary nutrients.

I've never fed 9Lives or Friskies, but have seen some people here do that. Maybe a bit higher carb%?
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I'll have to check with his old vet about the type of crystals. And thanks for that link, I'll definitely look it over!

For meat i would like to feed him plain boiled chicken breast too, do you know how to know how much phosphorus is in that? There is no bone or egg shell, but i read that people are supposed to eat meat to get more minerals, so i don't know.

I also didnt find in Dr Lisas articles exactly how much meat to use to supplement canned food (ive just found all canned or all homemade.) I think you're right about the nutriets so i would do like 10-25%, so would i take out that much from the can and replace it with chicken?
 
Diane Tyler's Mom GA said:
Tyler was blocked once, had to take him to the ER ,

He had struvite crystals ,I needed to change his food.

The food that was suggested by the ER was too high in carbs so I found this and have been feeding this , never raised his BG and knock on wood hadn't been blocked since

Purina Pro Plan Urinary Tract Health Beef & Chicken Entree flavor Pate

Purina Pro Plan Urinary Tract Health Chicken Entree

They are both low carb and low in phosphorus


The Purina Pro Plan Urinary Tract Health islow carb and low phosphorus
Beef and Chicken Entree pate
Carbs are around 4.80
Phosphorus is 1.44 dry matter

They also have Chicken Entree in Gravy which isn't pate it like tiny pieces of chicken like the size of a chicklet piece of gum lol remember them, they are like tiny tiny chunks
Carbs are 4.5
Phosphorus 0.78 dry matter

@Billy the Kat Parent
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Thanks so much, I'll look into those!
 
Chicken breast has 180 mg of phosphorus per 3 ounce serving. Chicken thigh is about 150. You can Google the phosphorus content in pretty much any food or it may also be on a label. If you're boiling/poaching the chicken, the counts may be a bit lower.

Many of us feed our cats a raw food diet. There are pre-mixes (i.e., a powdered supplement) that you add to ground food to provide the necessary nutrients.
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
Chicken breast has 180 mg of phosphorus per 3 ounce serving. Chicken thigh is about 150. You can Google the phosphorus content in pretty much any food or it may also be on a label. If you're boiling/poaching the chicken, the counts may be a bit lower.

Many of us feed our cats a raw food diet. There are pre-mixes (i.e., a powdered supplement) that you add to ground food to provide the necessary nutrients.
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Thank you! When i looked it up i didn't see the numbers. Do you also know where i can find info about adding a little homemade meat to a cat's diet, but not making it the whole diet? I already have storebought food to go through and frankly i dont have the brainpower right now to figure all that out
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
Chicken breast has 180 mg of phosphorus per 3 ounce serving. Chicken thigh is about 150. You can Google the phosphorus content in pretty much any food or it may also be on a label. If you're boiling/poaching the chicken, the counts may be a bit lower.

Many of us feed our cats a raw food diet. There are pre-mixes (i.e., a powdered supplement) that you add to ground food to provide the necessary nutrients.
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Thank you! When i looked it up i didn't see the numbers. Do you also know where i can find info about adding a little homemade meat to a cat's diet, but not making it the whole diet? I already have storebought food to go through and frankly i dont have the brainpower right now to figure all that out lol. And some things are confusing, like dr lisa said boiling gets rid of nutrients, but i also read that bioling decreases phosphorous but increases calcium?

And his vet isnt helpful with this, the one that sold me rx dry food for his urinary issues says no to homemade diet saying its too high in phosporos, and will not give any advise besides "low in phosphorus and magnesium" until i bring him in again

Also it was steruvite crystals, if that changes anything about his dietary needs
 
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