Thanks, this started as such a simple question, "Is anything better than nothing", a question I already knew the answer to but somehow I needed validation. This ran on 2 threads in 2 forums (I'm a bandwidth hog) and I made it clear it's not 911. Everyone sympathized with me but there's always the one condescending response "This is a cat...". Thankfully Noah loves his Tempations but everything else in this house defies the laws of nature. Tuna, chicken, salmon, "No thanks, how about a doughnut?" Noah's curves don't curve, they run off the edge of the page. The things we do for our cats. Aliens must wonder who's in charge down there.