FLUTD??

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Hi, I posted earlier that my cat has been pooping on the floor and got lots of advice about it being possibly connected to the diabetic neuropathy. I woke up this morning to find he had peed all over the floor too. This is a problem as I am renting and its not my carpet he is peeing on. I immediately went to do some research and found that FLUTD is possible with diabetic cats. Has anyone experienced this?

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to protect the carpet? I know I shouldn't be concerned about that so much but my landlord would evict me if he knew my cat was doing that. Poop is easy to clean up but pee, not so much.

I am taking him to the vet tomorrow for his first glucose curve but when I have home tested he has not dropped his levels barely at all - 19 to 18 is it (342 down to 324)

I am at the end of my rope with this new stuff. Please help!!
 
It can be caused by a lot of different things. But often peeing outside the box can be caused by a simple infection as well as unregulated diabetes.

But as far as his diabetes...What is his diet? And what insulin are you using? At what dose? We highly recommend a low carb/high protein diet as well as home testing and either Lantus, Levemir or Prozinc as insulins.

Mel and The Fur Gang
 
Hi, thanks for your response. I am giving him what the vet instructed me to give him. He is on a high protein low calorie diet - Purina DM. He is on 2 units of Lantus insulin once a day but this may change after his glucose curve tomorrow. None of us are vets so I don't want to mess around with his dosing or treatment. Vet will tell me.
 
I have a similar problem with Melba not making it to the litter box. I put the training pads for puppies on the floor. They are super absorbent.
 
Thank you I think I will try that. I am just worried he is in pain and I think he is. Does anyone know what the treatment is for urine infection in cats?
 
Purina DM canned or dry?

I am fully aware that none of us are vets here, but we do collectively have many years of experience in treating diabetic cats, because everyone here that will be responding to you are either currently or have treated their own successfully. I, myself, have 3 diabetic cats, two of which are in remission and no longer on insulin and one who while always be insulin dependent.

While I currently use Levemir, I have in the past used Lantus for one of my cats that is remission. I can tell you that all insulin needs to be given twice a day in a cat because of their high metabolic rate. Also that 2u is a fairly high starting dose for a cat, most cats do very well on .5u to 1u twice a day.

I also recently adopted a diabetic that his previous owner was doing exactly what her vet was telling her to do, and he was up to 11u twice a day and eating Purina DM dry, after a year he was still a very sick kitty, and having many of the problems you described. Peeing and pooping outside the box, weak hind legs and a coat that was thin and falling out in patches. When I adopted him I took what I had learned here with my other two cats, (also adopted as diabetic), switched his diet to canned Friskies Pate, started testing him at home, and adjusting his dose accordingly to the numbers he was giving me at home. 8 months later not only is he in remission and insulin free, he is a slim trim and muscular 8 year old cat that romps through the house chasing his best friend my year old kitten and leaps up on top of my cupboards and fridge with ease.

We would love to help you help your furry best friend if you will let us. I'm not bashing your vet in anyway but they have a very rough job in that while a human doctor only has to know the human body and all the various things that can and do go wrong with it, a vet has to know everything from mouse to elephant and all the possible things that can and do go wrong with all those different species, it isn't humanly possible to stay on top of everything. And for the most part they see very few diabetics in their practices, and even fewer that the owners decide to go through the expense and trouble to treat. Sadly many owners opt to euthanize rather than treat. However, those of us here, eat, breathe and sleep feline diabetes because we are treating our cats and doing so successfully.

Mel and The Fur Gang
 
Normally for a UTI (urinary tract infection) they will take a urine sample, culture it to determine what type of infection and what antibiotic is most effective in treating it and then give that antibiotic. Pretty much the same as if a human has one.

UTI's are very common in an unregulated diabetic because they are spilling sugar into their urine, and that coupled with the nice warm moist enviroment of the urinary tract becomes an excellent breeding ground for bacteria.

UTIs can also be extremely painful and if the cat is having pain when trying to use the box, they may associate that pain with the litter box and thus avoid using it.

Mel and The Fur Gang
 
Momma of Muse - the vet said to give 2 units ONCE per day. Why on earth would I decide to go against their advice and do the opposite of their instructions???

I am not going to go against vet advice as then I will lose their support which I need. He didn't start on 2 units a day, but one. He is a big cat so likely will go to three units per the vet.
 
Juleslynne43 said:
Momma of Muse - the vet said to give 2 units ONCE per day. Why on earth would I decide to go against their advice and do the opposite of their instructions???
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Because with a bit of research, your vet could get up to date and discover that it doesn't last 24 hours. And you could provide that info to your vet to save him some time.

Lantus last roughly 12 hours in the cat, not 24 hours. Its effects do slightly overlap due to the formation of subcutaneous crystals after injection. These are not all dissolved by the time of the next shot. It takes roughly 5 to 7 days to reach a smooth level when given BID (every 12 hours)

There is a research tested protocol for Lantus that has shown it is possible to get some cats to a diet controlled state. The link is here
 
I am leaving this forum as it seems like you are all content to ignore vet advice. What makes you think the vet is not uptodate. They are trained professionals and have been nothing but helpful and kind. They have several diabetic cats coming to them and know their stuff. You obviously don't trust the vets. doesn't mean I need to be the same.


Please do not respond to my post as you do not have the knowledge I need
 
The knowledge is in the research articles we reference. Good luck.You'll need it.
 
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