Fancy Feast (Tender Liver & Chicken Feast Classic)?

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Hi there,
First, I'd like to thank everyone for your feedback about low carb foods your kitties have liked, etc. I've had the hardest time changing my cats food to ones he likes and he was getting very sickly thin. I was worried I was going to lose him.

Anyway, I found a food he loves. Fancy Feast Tender Liver & Chicken Feast Classic (burnt orange can). The ingredients does not include grain or wheat gluten. I did not find this flavor on the original (old or new list), but it is on a list called Fancy Feast Flavors that contain NO wheat gluten and are below 10%. Can anyone confirm or provide the nutritional content of this flavor and is it indeed low in carbs?

My Apollo seems to be feeling better, but since changing the food, his water consumption has gone up. Makes me wonder if it is high in carbs.

Thanks to anyone who might know this food and flavor.

Thank you.

Lisa
 
Re: Fancy Feast (Is this flavor really low in carbs)?

Tender Liver and Chicken Feast is on the older Janet and Binky chart P40%,F56%,C4%. Thats most likely obsolete, but I think the new label formulas only increased the carbs 1-2% so its still a really good carb number.
 
Re: Fancy Feast (Is this flavor really low in carbs)?

From JA&B old table (hopefully the formating is readable):
Protein Fat Carbs Fiber(g) Phosph (mg)Calories per can
Tender Liver & Chicken Feast 40 56 4 0.2 352 89.3
 
Thank you Melanie and Larry.

I called Purina and they mentioned it was 1.9%; however, this does not seem accurate and I know how certain brands calculate carbs much differently.

Does anyone know the content of the current food? The content of the food on the old list does help however.

Lisa and Apollo
 
That's a good choice!

Remember that different charts/people mean different things. Janet's charts give you the percentage of calories that come from carbohydrate sources(4% in this case). When Purina says "1.9%", they may mean by volume, by weight, etc. So you can't really compare.

Example - you put 1 tsp of sugar in a cup of coffee. By weight and/or by volume, the amount of carbs in that cup of coffee is very small. BUT by percentage, 100% of the calories in that cup of coffee come from carbs.

Does that help at all?
 
I have been feeding Moonie all the Classic Fancy feast flavors & we have been here since 2/2008--Tender Beef, Beef & chicken, Chopped Grill, Turkey & giblets, Beef & Liver, and the salmon, they have been good to us & Moonie's FD..Yes some of them are a teensy more than others, but the amounts are negligible.
For med & high carb foods I use Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys, as some have rice, greens, etc for that carb boost they need when their BG's drop..It's the only one Moonie will eat & I find it works well--
I had called them a while back, but it's the same gibberish they always give us..The Janet & Binky's food list is like our food reference guide!
Good luck!
 
Thank you everyone for your feedback. And Karen, your information does make sense. It was hard for me to calculate on my own the information some of these companies provided as it didn't compare to the guide I was using so yes, you are right. Made it hard to know if the flavor I'm giving my cat is indeed low in carbs.

My Apollo is doing so much better and now he wants to eat, he's put on weight (as he was so thin) and he has more energy. I thought for sure I was going to lose him. I have also begun him on his second shot of insulin a day. I tried to get away with one in the am, but it did not work. I will say that his water consumption has gone up since his appetite has increased, but on the flipside, he is looking and feeling much better. I'll be having his glucose checked in a couple days. I was going to try and do it myself and opted not to, at least for now.

Again, I appreciate everyone's feedback.

Lisa
 
Please reconsider and start hometesting. It is the only way to know if it is safe to inject your kitty with insulin. If you are having a difficult time learning would you be open to hands on help? There may be a member living close by willing to help. Is this something you'd be interested in?
jeanne
 
Well, I have been told I am pretty good at nagging. Please consider hometesting. I know you have read some of the posts where it's 8pm and the kitty is acting strange. The bean has to be able to hometest and react or take the cat to the emergency vet (when there is one) and hope they know something about hypo. If you rely on testing by the vet and your kitty is stressed out at all by the noises, smells and strange people there, the numbers will be higher than they are at home. And the dosage based on those numbers can be too high and you risk a hypo when you give the insulin at home. The vet who posts here likens treating diabetes without hometesting like driving down the freeway with a bag over your head.

As Jeanne said, we may have someone who could come help the first time. We have taught lots of people to test over the internet. Please reconsider.
 
Lisasuze said:
... I'll be having his glucose checked in a couple days. I was going to try and do it myself and opted not to, at least for now.

Again, I appreciate everyone's feedback.

Lisa
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Hi Lisa,

I rarely post here anymore, mainly b/c Kyndra has been stable and down to just one shot in the morning, on a diet of Fancy feast (mainly) and actually some dry kibble in the morning (mainly when she and Lita wake me up at 5am and canned is just not an option!) I just came here today to ask a question about lancets for home testing and saw your post and thought I would give you a little support about home testing.

Kyndra was diagnosed just a year ago and we first managed her with just food, but an attack of pancreatitis put her on insulin. I don't recall when I began testing her at home but, like you, I was VERY hesitant. But after getting a kit and support from here it did not take long at all to get the hang of it. There are link to pics, video and instructions here and even the BD site has some great info (http://www.bd.com/us/diabetes/page.aspx?cat=7001&id=7377

By testing her at home I recently noticed a spike in her BG (blood Glucose) which is likely due to a change in her dry food. She is due for a BG Curve (I DO bring her to the vet for that) but before I do that I will monitor, change food, adjust insulin injections AND I feel completely comfortable doing it with my knowledge, meter and regular testing. It's a nice feeling to have that control and has been pointed out not having to run off to the vet and especially what to do in a crisis. It's a good to have the control and the knowledge!

Hang in there, come here for the support, make friends with your vet tech(!) and let them teach you or see if someone form here live near (as has been volunteered). Life with a DB cat is not as daunting as it seems int he beginning ;)
 
Hi Sue, Bonnie, and Jeanne,

I just checked this message.

Apollo is doing much better. He seems to be feeling better and is now eating on a regular basis (yeah)! Man..he was on the road out and thank god, he is doing better.

I have thought about home testing and in fact my mom sent me a prick kit and I tried it on myself and man..it hurt. I also ruined the glucose strip reader machine. Don't ask me how I did it, but I did. Based on how I felt after poking my finger several times, I'm unsure I'd be able to do that with Apollo.

Insulin..I would love to get him to at least once a day. I'm now giving him insulin in the am and pm. I'm being very cautious about the amount. I think he needs a higher dosage, but as I said, I'm being careful. He is only getting 1 unit twice a day right now.

I do know their glucose can spike @ vet visits and guestimate it could be as good as 100 points higher.

I'm open to someone showing me how to home test and I can make a decision at that point. I'm in Oregon near Portland.

Thanks,

Lisa
 
It is wonderful you are open to help! Believe me I hate the prick myself. I'm not diabetic but I would prick my finger every once in a while to check the meter and you're right it DOES hurt. I'm such a baby.

But honest it doesnt hurt th kitties as much as it helps them. Think of it this way, how are you EVER going to know if Apollo is ready to go OFF insulin if you dont hometest?

If you keep taking him to the Vet his values will ALWAYS be higher tahn what they are at home.

Also if it hurt cats that much you'd be darn sure the other Beans on this forum would find another way.
My Trouble didnt like it but he got used to it. It didnt take that long either because he knew if he got a poke in the ear he got a treat in his tummy PLUS the added fact that the insulin made him feel better.

I'm SURE there is someone in your area that could come show you the ropes.

Lets see ok?
jeanne
 
I fordot to mention you can get a new gluco meter from Lori and Tom just read the sticky on the main page about "Newbie Kits". She will mail one out to you right away.
jeanne
 
Blood tests don't have to be traumatic for cats, some don't mind them at all. I know pricking your finger hurts, I did it to myself too. But all of the antedotal evidence I've got from the year Yittle was diabetic and before he succumbed to cancer is - that frankly, he didn't care at all. From the first time I tested him until his last day, he didn't seem to mind at all. The only thing he didn't like was if I took too long and held his ear too long. I could prick it repeatedly if I missed or didn't get enough blood and he was known to sleep through my doing it at times. He would even wake me up if my alarm failed within 15 minutes of his shot time and let me know it was time to test him and give him insulin. Obviously I got lucky, but its possible your cat will be just as good natured about it. If Yittle was anything - good natured was not it generally speaking. Our nickname for him used to be "Mr Does Not Deal Well"... and yet, he surprised us.
 
I swear to you that my Rambo used to purr and knead his paws through his blood tests, and was always waiting for me at our "testing spot" each morning. Whenever he wanted a treat, Conan used to ask for ear pokies after he became diet controlled ... these were not traumatized cats. :-D

My little Astrophe is not a diabetic, but has a condition where she needs weekly blood tests. I take 2 microtubes of blood from her ear every week to bring to the vet - my past years of doing ear pokies has saved us much hassle and saved her many, many trips to to the vet!! She now barely even wakes up when I do this.

Warming the ears, and even using a small amount of polysporin/neosporin with topical anaesthetic can help a lot, as well.

Trust me, we would have come up with other ways of doing this if it hurt our cats!
 
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