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neil_wain

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Hi all,
We have a 12year old cat who was diagnosed with diabetes 4 weeks ago, he is on insulin 3 ½ units.
He suffers with the diarrhea bad and lost some Weight but slowed down losing it.
He is always hungry but slowed down with water; he was drinking up to a pint a day now down to ¼ to ½ pint.
Please could you tell me if this is normal? And does the diarrhea stop? Vets have given us antibiotics but still same and been wormed with same result.
 
Normal antibiotics can cause diarrhea but sometime metronidazole is used for diarrhea.
What is the cat (name?) eating? Changing diet can initially cause diarrhea.
 
Hi Larry and Kitties, we have not changed Beau food but seems to be hungry all the time his blood count is 15.5 and has come down from 24 in a spell of a week. Thinking of giving him more food vets seem to be unsure why he losing weight and why he has diarrhoea. Blood test is clear. Am I rushing it or should I give it more time for his diarrhoea to clear up?
Kind regards
Neil
 
HI Sue and Oliver, Thanks for your link to web page, will give me a few more options. Going to keep close eye on Beau and we have booked him in to vets for another blood count. Can we use human Glucose monitoring? Or are they set up different? As you can see I am new to this game and seek any advice.
Kind regards
Neil
From UK
 
Elizabth and Bertie are our go to members from the UK. I'll send her a private message and see if she can give you some info on meters, food and perhaps antibiotics. You want a meter that sips and takes a tiny sample, but I don't know what is available.
 
It may be helpful to add a bit of plain pureed squash or pumpkin (not pie filling) to his food. That seems to help with both diarrhea and constipation.
 
Hi Neil,

Waving 'Hi' from Surrey!

Regarding meters, the Accucheck Aviva is quite popular with Brits. It's fairly easy to get hold of in pharmacies and only needs a small blood sample size. Also, you can probably get the test strips for the meter for around half the RRP on Ebay ongoingly.
Here's a link to a page of basic info and pics on 'hometesting' a cat (but if you have any questions than ask away!):
http://www.sugarpet.net/bloodtst.html

What are you feeding Beau at the moment?

Eliz
 
Hi all, Beau's Diarrhea so far has stopped. So that’s one thing sorted at the moment.
HI eliz, Beau is on tinned food (Whiskers). We are feeding him a tin a day, he still seems hungry (meowing all the time) is this normal?
Thanks to all for advice and web addresses
Kind regards
Neil
 
One 5.5 oz can a day is a rough guide. The "test" is how is Beau's weight doing? Feed more to get to gain weight and less to lose weight.
My MurrFee and Badger are always hungry.
 
Hi Larry and kitties, do you give MurrFee and Badger any special food? Beau lost weight so going to see how he does with a tin a day. Do you advice buying Insulin off the internet? Do you also self-test? and if you do how often . Sorry about all questions
Kind regards
Neil /Shaz
 
Not Larry, but I can give you some info on our general protocol, that has helped hundreds of cats into regulation or remission.

1. A slow, long lasting insulin. Lantus, Levemir and ProZinc are popular as they have a slow onset; they are not harsh and they are easiest to use for regulation. Humulin and Canninsulin are less popular because, in most cats, they have a rapid onset and don’t last as long. We like new diabetics to start low and go slow. That is, start at a low dose of .5 or one unit twice daily every 12 hours. And increase slowly, by .25 or .5 units as the numbers indicate.

2. A low carb, wet diet. We like to feed under 8-10% carbs. There are several food charts you can use: Dr. Lisa’s food chart
Hobo’s Food Chart Rhiannon’s 8% and under list

Whatever food you can afford that your cat will eat in that lower range. BUT do not change over to wet until you are hometesting. With our Oliver, the switch meant an overnight change of 100 points downward. If we hadn’t been testing and had given our usual amount., he could have hypoed.

2. And most importantly, hometesting. We think cats tend to be stressed at the vet
and we know stress raises blood glucose levels. So we test our cats at home. You want to know what the number is before you give the shot to be sure the amount you are planning to give is safe. And testing midcycle will show you how the insulin is working. We use human glucometers and test on their ears or paws. Here is a video that shows you how it is done: Video for hometesting
 
Hi Neil,

Greetings from another UK member.

If Beau is on Caninsulin at the moment, you can buy it online at the best price from Animed Direct provided you're ordering several vials. They charge for express delivery and cool packing it. If you're only using 2.5ml vials, it is probably much of a muchness pricewise to get the insulin from your vet, since ordering a single vial would rack up costs for the prescription and the carriage. Animed Direct are the cheapest I've found for Caninsulin U40 syringes, and they offer free delivery on them.

If you're looking for low carb foods, zooplus.co.uk have a great range to choose from. Also you can look online at the Happy Kitty Company. Both of them offer good quality low carb wet foods imported from Europe. Nature's Menu do low carb pouches, too (either online and, IIRC, Pets at Home). Have a look at brands like Bozita, Thrive, Catz Finefood, Grau, Granatapet, and Om Nom Nom. Some of the foods are more expensive than supermarket brands but they are much better quality (protein from quality meat sources, no padding with fillers). Cats don't tend to eat as much of them so they are more economical than the initial price tag might suggest.

WRT the diarrhoea, I'm glad to hear that Beau is recovering. My Saoirse had a really bad bout of it the week before last and she has been subsisting on home-cooked poached chicken and broth ever since. (She had a major flare-up of pancreatitis so I've got to be very careful now about what I feed her). I've just taken delivery of some Thrive Complete canned chicken breast in broth and it might help Beau if he needs something fairly bland till he recovers from his digestive upset. It contains basic vitamins, minerals and a taurine supplement so it is a complete food. Note that it's very low in carbohydrates, so you would need to be home testing before feeding it. (Note: If Beau is on Caninsulin, talk very seriously with your vet about reducing the dose when you start to cut over to low carb wet food. Beau could experience an astonishingly big drop in his blood sugar levels very quickly.)

You asked about Beau's always being hungry. With the diabetes, although he is eating plenty of food the cells in his body are actually starving. Cells need energy from glucose in order to properly utilise the nutrients from his food. Without sufficient insulin, the body can't use glucose properly so it mucks up cell metabolism. The cells signal that they haven't got enough food, so he eats more. As he moves towards regulation, the ravening hunger will subside and so will the unquenchable thirst.
 
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Hi neil_wain,

About diarrhea problem, although the problem was cleared, I think you still need to monitor your cat to make sure the diarrhea will not happen again. If you want to get more information about this problem, this place may help: http://diarrheaincats.net
 
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