Dia-Ionx - Diabetes Symptoms Relief

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When Poe was first diagnosed diabetic, I rushed to Google. Upon my search, besides finding this awesome website, I came across another site that specialized in homeopathic remedies catering to animals.

http://www.vetionx.com/about_us/

I ordered a bottle of the Dia-iOnx and prior to the insulin, started giving Poe the 1/2 tsp per day orally with a syringe. When I went to the vet to have him checked and to confirm the diabetes, I showed her the bottle, she made note of the ingredients, but once I started the insulin, I just put the bottle aside, not giving him anymore.

The active ingredients:
Aceticum ac, lacticum ac, nat phos, phosphoricum ac HPUS, - diabetes symptoms
arsenicum alb, byronia, uranium nitricum HPUS - excessive thirst
calc carb HPUS - ravenous appetite
Iris vers HPUS - Indigestion
Kali phos HPUS - tiredness
Lycopodium HPUS - strain to urinate
Phos, Plumb met HPUS - dry mouth
"Each active ingredient contains equal volumes of 10X, 20X, and 30X potentcies. The letters "HPUS" indicate that the components in this product are officially monographed in the Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States."

I don't know if any of those ingredients are hiding starches or sugars or anything that is dangerous or should be avoided for a diabetic cat.

If it's a helpful product, I would like to continue giving it to him. I will also ask the vet again, but thought maybe someone here might be familiar with it.

Thanks
 
Does it help with asthma? The steroids are causing the diabetes in your cats case most likely?. And the steroids are for the asthma right? So if you believe in homeopathy then you really want to target the asthma..
 
I'm not 100% sure Poe's diabetes is steroid induced. He was a dry food cat always...mixed with high carb wet 2x's a day. Might be a combination of the 2 though.

He was on steroids for maybe 2 weeks...the oral kind...and that was 4+ years ago and nothing until this last attack in May, and that was one shot, then inhaled.
 
I'd used homeopathic and herbal remedies for years. It's been my observation that they usually take a very long time to make any difference. I think, with a lot of naturopathic remedies, those for FD tend to work better in a non insulin dependent diabetic than one that is insulin dependent.

You also have to be careful about purities...
 
Thanks for the replies.

I don't think I'll be using it then. Maybe it would be something to use if he goes into remission or his insulin dose is very small, maybe like a supplemental.
 
Homeopathy has no scientific or clinical basis whatsoever. It is essentially quackery. The only reason that we humans continue to use it is due to the placebo effect. We can 'believe' in it, and therefore we feel better. The human mind does have great power over healing.

An animal can not do this. Veterinary use of homeopathic remedies is a total waste of money.
 
I would have to strongly disagree with that last statement. I had a cat, Nik, with liver cancer and when the chemo, administered by a board certified veterinary oncologist, almost killed him, I turned to a homeopathic vet. Nik started to eat again, his liver values came down, and we had three extra months of high QOL that the oncologist did not think we would ever have.

Having said that, some homeopathic remedies work better to support the system then others and I think when you are discussing effects on a hormone, such as insulin, it may or may not be as effective.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
I would have to strongly disagree with that last statement. I had a cat, Nik, with liver cancer and when the chemo, administered by a board certified veterinary oncologist, almost killed him, I turned to a homeopathic vet. Nik started to eat again, his liver values came down, and we had three extra months of high QOL that the oncologist did not think we would ever have.
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Chemotherapy is toxic. That's how it kills cancer cells. Sadly, in many cases of cancer (whether human or animal) it is the side effects of chemo that kills the patient too. Stopping the chemo would more than likely have increased Nik's appetite on its own, regardless of whatever the homeopath had given him. Stopping the chemo would be far more likely to have given you the 3 months of quality life.

I am sorry for your loss. In Nik's case there is no way you can logically associate whatever the homeopathic vet gave to him with the 3 months that you enjoyed together. Association does not imply causation. No homeopathic remedy has ever passed a randomised placebo-controlled trial. If it ever does, I am more than happy to eat my words.

best wishes

Juliet
 
Thank you, Juliet. I appreciate your input.

However, I have been using homeopathic and herbal remedies for many, many years. As I said, some situations, they work, others they do not.

And I am a scientist with an MS in biology and taught A&P for many years at university level. I only mention this because I do tend to view all things primarily from that background first. But science does not have the answer to everything and studies are only valid if they have been properly designed with the appropriate controls and sample sizes.

Nik was not eating prior to the chemo treatment and, in fact, had a feeding tube. He had one treatment of chemo. Although chemo is toxic, many animals respond well to it. Having said that, I would not jump into it again so quickly.

I agree that his QOL would have improved with cessation of chemo but not to the extent that it did. He was very ill prior to the chemo and lost weight. ALT, AST were sky high. After initiation of homeopathic therapy, he started eating on his own (which he might have done any way at some point since he was recovering from FHL associated with the liver cancer and the tube feeding kick started him...who knows). He gained weight, his ALT and AST came down significantly and as a result, his icterus subsided.
 
I suspect there's a middle ground here. Both Marje and I have a background in science and like Juliet, I am a true believer in randomized clinical trials (RCT). The big "however" though, is that RCTs apply primarily to Western medicine. Eastern approaches -- Chinese herbals, acupuncture, etc. -- while not homeopathic per se, are not Western medicine. There are humans and animals alike who have benefited from alternative medicine.

My concern with some of the products that are advertised on the internet is that it's hard to sort out what may be an effective supplementary treatment and what's snake oil.
 
Don't forget that the majority of 'Western' medicine has grown derived from natural extracts of plants & animals, until we recently started synthesisng molecular drugs based on 'rational design'. Most of us still have natural extract based medicines in our bathroom cabinet (aspirin, digitalis, antibiotics from fungi etc), but it is classed as 'medicine' because is has been shown to have a statistically significant effect during clinical trials. We are still using natural extracts to develop new drugs too (Paclitaxel comes from Yew trees, for e.g.).

Many other 'alternative medicines' are now beginning to drop the 'alternative' prefix as they are being shown to have effects under trial, too. Acupuncture being one of them, for pain relief, I believe. Traditional Chinese Medicines are also starting to undergo clinical trials, and (I imagine) several of them will be re-categorised as medicine as they are shown to actually work. (Rhino horn not being one of them... :lol: ) We really shouldn't tar all 'alternative medicines' with the same brush.

Homeopathy is different. It is bunkum. It is based on the premise that "like cures like". Whatever causes the ill, will cause the remedy when it is diluted to such an extent that there is (more often than not) none of the original substance left in the solute. Dilution is said to increase the 'potency' of the remedy. But water & alcohol have no 'memory'. It is nonsense. It is proven nonsense. Yet 300 million people across the world spend their hard-earned cash on it. For whatever reason, they truly believe it works.

Applying it veterinary cases is only really to treat the owner rather than the animal. If the only believes his or her pet is going to get better because of a homeopathic remedy, then when the condition either naturally resolves itself, or the animal improves slightly, then the likelihood is that the owner will believe it is due to the 'remedy'. Animals in captivity have no choice about what they are treated with, so it is up to us to find out as much as we can about what would be best for them (not us) before we treat them.
 
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