decent turned to bad again

[Carl & Polly & Bob (GA)]

Thank you Laurie for all that feedback. I agree. Jill posts some very great information. I don't use Lantus, but visit the forum and read a lot, and have learned a lot from Jill and others.

It helps me/us as well to have people who have experience with both insulins under their belts, {P's and L's) and understand that they work differently, post here on occasion.

In your PZI experience, did you see increased sensitivity after a low nadir, particularly when it was a "surprise" green number. Like kitty was used to high blue nadirs and then one day decided to throw a 55 at you. Was the cat likely to be more sensitive the next cycle or two because of that low? And did that also happen on the oddball low Lantus nadir?
Like I said, I look in lantus occasionally, and no way do I have time to read 50 condos a day or anytihing, but.... it seems that "bouncing" is fairly common, especially on your way up the dose ladder towards the beginning of treatment, than it might be with Prozinc. That's just an observation based on the few cases I've looked at. Do cats bounce more often with one than the other, or just bounce "differently"? Or is it just a real ECID thing?
Carl

 

[Laurie and Mr Tinkles]

Thank you Laurie for all that feedback. I agree. Jill posts some very great information. I don't use Lantus, but visit the forum and read a lot, and have learned a lot from Jill and others.

It helps me/us as well to have people who have experience with both insulins under their belts, {P's and L's) and understand that they work differently, post here on occasion.

In your PZI experience, did you see increased sensitivity after a low nadir, particularly when it was a "surprise" green number. Like kitty was used to high blue nadirs and then one day decided to throw a 55 at you. Was the cat likely to be more sensitive the next cycle or two because of that low? And did that also happen on the oddball low Lantus nadir?

No, I did not see increased sensitivity after a low nadir, and Mr Tinkles went low on both PZ (30s) and Lantus (26)....the only symptom he ever had was hunger, so those were not "hypos" as far as I'm concerned....only low numbers. My understanding is that insulin sensitivity happens after a symptomatic hypo. I have no personal experience with symptomatic hypos.

Like I said, I look in lantus occasionally, and no way do I have time to read 50 condos a day or anytihing, but.... it seems that "bouncing" is fairly common, especially on your way up the dose ladder towards the beginning of treatment, than it might be with Prozinc. That's just an observation based on the few cases I've looked at. Do cats bounce more often with one than the other, or just bounce "differently"? Or is it just a real ECID thing?
Carl

Bouncing is very common, and I don't think it matters which insulin is used. ECID...but most cats bounce in my experience, at least in the beginning. Bouncing is related to how fast the BG drops or the cat seeing lower numbers than it is used to....that happens with all insulins. I think that it is readily recognized by experienced folks in Lantus TR, and not readily recognized in PZI, at least when I was using PZ. I asked what those wacky cycles were, and no one had an answer for me, and that was very frustrating for me! That's my purpose in bringing it up here...to help folks see it, know what it is and how to react to it (or rather, not react to it! ;-) ) I would like to see folks not be as frustrated as I was, and help them avoid losing ground when it isn't necessary.

 

[Blue]

Late nadir is seen with alot of acros; my Oliver was close to +10 or 11, so if he did not rise enough by +5, I needed to be concerned he would go too low by ps.

The odd times when my Shadoe went very low, I also did not call it hypo, and she also ate like she was starving. She did not act overly sensitive after these lows.