CKD

[Waheeda]

Just had a look

Sheba are pouches at 85g
Whiskas are pouches at 100g

Did they indicate what's the kcal per pouch or can? Then only I can calculate the amount of phosphorus per pouch/can.

 

[TempestsMum]

Did they indicate what's the kcal per pouch or can? Then only I can calculate the amount of phosphorus per pouch/can.

Sorry it's been a looong day..
it doesn't say. But I will look again in the morning when I'm less tired maybe I'm just not seeing it.

 

[Waheeda]

Sorry it's been a looong day..
it doesn't say. But I will look again in the morning when I'm less tired maybe I'm just not seeing it.

No worries! Rest well.

 

[TempestsMum]

Yay success! found It on the side of the box..

Sheba 62kcal
Whiskas 77kcal

 

[Waheeda]

Yay success! found It on the side of the box..

Sheba 62kcal
Whiskas 77kcal

So Sheba will contain 62/1000 x 3.04 = 0.188g in the pouch

Whiskas 77/1000 x 2.5 = 0.192g

Is that a safe amount to give?
Who wants to check if my calculation is correct?

 

[TempestsMum]

So Sheba will contain 62/1000 x 3.04 = 0.188g in the pouch

Whiskas 77/1000 x 2.5 = 0.192g

Is that a safe amount to give?
Who wants to check if my calculation is correct?

On the CKD website they say to try for under 80 but I see a lot of people saying under 100 so not sure..

 

[Waheeda]

On the CKD website they say to try for under 80 but I see a lot of people saying under 100 so not sure..

What unit is that? 80 of? Where did you see that?

 

[Waheeda]

Hi @TempestsMum
The person who responded to me on Fb said p level should be no more than 250mg per 100 cal. That means less than 0.25g per 100 cal. So that should be 2.5g per 1000 cal which means only the whiskas is ok.

 

[tiffmaxee]

Have you looked at Dr. Lisa's food chart? The Sheba food look higher than what you are getting.

 

[TempestsMum]

Have you looked at Dr. Lisa's food chart? The Sheba food look higher than what you are getting.

Thanks! Just saw this! Dr Lisa's chart doesn't cover the UK unfortunately

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

@Elizabeth and Bertie has put together a food list for UKers. She has marked the phosphorous levels for a number of them Here are the links:


http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...-including-link-to-low-carb-food-list.137376/


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J5JpMe6TDXrHq_aTl9hUtHy6Gs9oRBqlz4nPGKxtySA/pubhtml

If you need more information she may be able to help you.

 

[TempestsMum]

@Elizabeth and Bertie has put together a food list for UKers. She has marked the phosphorous levels for a number of them Here are the links:


http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...-including-link-to-low-carb-food-list.137376/


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J5JpMe6TDXrHq_aTl9hUtHy6Gs9oRBqlz4nPGKxtySA/pubhtml

If you need more information she may be able to help you.

Thank you Mary Ann. Elizabeth was very kind to give me that one. I'm still dithering though as to what to feed. The Felixagail is low carb low phos. But I'm researching raw at the minute or home made.. gaaah why is nothing simple lol

 

[Waheeda]

Thank you Mary Ann. Elizabeth was very kind to give me that one. I'm still dithering though as to what to feed. The Felixagail is low carb low phos. But I'm researching raw at the minute or home made.. gaaah why is nothing simple lol

My boy's p number went down from 7 to 6.2 in 3 wks after using the binder. I would think it will lower further in a few weeks. Perhaps u can consider using the binder and stick to the food Tempest likes?

 

[Yong & Maury GA]

Hi @TempestsMum
no more than 250mg per 100 cal.

Just from reading the forum , I believe less than 250mg is for earlier stages and as CKD progresses, the phosphorus number decreases. I forget which thread though

 

[TempestsMum]

My boy's p number went down from 7 to 6.2 in 3 wks after using the binder. I would think it will lower further in a few weeks. Perhaps u can consider using the binder and stick to the food Tempest likes?

My vet said she's not at a stage where I should use a binder? Wondering if that has something to do with her other values. Her felix food is 0.22 per 100g so is still ok to feed (I think). My vet recommended she lose some weight too. She's crept up a wee bit and the concern is the diabetes.

 

[TempestsMum]

Just from reading the forum , I believe less than 250mg is for earlier stages and as CKD progresses, the phosphorus number decreases. I forget which thread though

I was told to keep it under .80 or .70 if possible on the Facebook site. I'm still reading through Tanya's site though.

 

[Elizabeth and Bertie]

Her felix food is 0.22 per 100g so is still ok to feed (I think).

Tara, phos has to be calculated on a dry matter basis. In order to calculate that you need the moisture % and the phos %.
Here is a dry matter calculator that's quick and easy to use:
http://fnae.org/dmb.html?inputboxm=77&inputboxi=1.7&button.x=75&button.y=21&button=Click

In terms of UK foods, the lowest (ordinary) foods I found were Terra Faeilis 'chicken and squash' and 'turkey and zucchini' (from Zooplus). But unfortunately my cats didn't like them very much... ...Next lowest were Granapet 'poultry' and 'salmon and seafood', Kattovit 'sensitive', and Feringa 'chicken and squash' from Zooplus; which my oldies will eat in rotation. ...There's also the Granatapet 'symphonie' range from the Happy Kitty co, but I don't know if they ship to Ireland...
.

 

[TempestsMum]

Tara, phos has to be calculated on a dry matter basis. In order to calculate that you need the moisture % and the phos %.
Here is a dry matter calculator that's quick and easy to use:
http://fnae.org/dmb.html?inputboxm=77&inputboxi=1.7&button.x=75&button.y=21&button=Click

In terms of UK foods, the lowest (ordinary) foods I found were Terra Faeilis 'chicken and squash' and 'turkey and zucchini' (from Zooplus). But unfortunately my cats didn't like them very much... ...Next lowest were Granapet 'poultry' and 'salmon and seafood', Kattovit 'sensitive', and Feringa 'chicken and squash' from Zooplus; which my oldies will eat in rotation. ...There's also the Granatapet 'symphonie' range from the Happy Kitty co, but I don't know if they ship to Ireland...
.

Thanks Elizabeth,
I can order those from Zooplus and Happy Kitty Company does ship here I ordered from there before and Tempest turned her nose up at everything lol I will try the Terra ones, You never know! Maybe if I blend some half and half she won't notice lol

I tried Granatapet ( might try again with mixing it) but not the kattovit we are testing feringa at the moment. But the one I have is lamb and chicken.. oh the joys of a fussy kitty.

 

[Waheeda]

Thanks Elizabeth,
I can order those from Zooplus and Happy Kitty Company does ship here I ordered from there before and Tempest turned her nose up at everything lol I will try the Terra ones, You never know! Maybe if I blend some half and half she won't notice lol

I tried Granatapet ( might try again with mixing it) but not the kattovit we are testing feringa at the moment. But the one I have is lamb and chicken.. oh the joys of a fussy kitty.

At least u can get these food!
Well my poor boy now has heart failure. Will be on diuretics and anti coagulant medicine.

 

[TempestsMum]

At least u can get these food!
Well my poor boy now has heart failure. Will be on diuretics and anti coagulant medicine.

Oh no Waheeda I'm so so sorry.
If I can be of help let me know, I have kept cavalier King Charles spaniels for 30 years and they suffer from CHF (congestive heart failure) so I know a good lot about it. The good news is that they can live happily with it for many years and heart medication is so much more advanced than it used to be.

 

[Waheeda]

Oh no Waheeda I'm so so sorry.
If I can be of help let me know, I have kept cavalier King Charles spaniels for 30 years and they suffer from CHF (congestive heart failure) so I know a good lot about it. The good news is that they can live happily with it for many years and heart medication is so much more advanced than it used to be.

Thanks Tara. Will ask you if I need help. Can't believe he can be so unlucky.

 

[Waheeda]

Oh no Waheeda I'm so so sorry.
If I can be of help let me know, I have kept cavalier King Charles spaniels for 30 years and they suffer from CHF (congestive heart failure) so I know a good lot about it. The good news is that they can live happily with it for many years and heart medication is so much more advanced than it used to be.

Thanks Tara. Will ask you if I need help. Can't believe he can be so unlucky.

 

[TempestsMum]

Thanks Tara. Will ask you if I need help. Can't believe he can be so unlucky.

Poor boy!
Here's something I hope will help, my dogs brother Romeo was born with a heart problem and given 6momths to live. He's now 12! He's on borrowed time now but the mean age of cavs is 10 so that's pretty dang good for a dog that wasn't expected to make it past puppyhood!

 

[Waheeda]

Poor boy!
Here's something I hope will help, my dogs brother Romeo was born with a heart problem and given 6momths to live. He's now 12! He's on borrowed time now but the mean age of cavs is 10 so that's pretty dang good for a dog that wasn't expected to make it past puppyhood!

Wow! That's awesome. But jebat also has cdk so now his kidney has to work hard as the diuretics will be working to remove the fluid in his lungs. Anyway, I'm glad we sent him in before he has any clots.

 

[TempestsMum]

Wow! That's awesome. But jebat also has cdk so now his kidney has to work hard as the diuretics will be working to remove the fluid in his lungs. Anyway, I'm glad we sent him in before he has any clots.

Be positive for him, many times animals amaze us. Is it frusiomide they put him on?

 

[Waheeda]

Be positive for him, many times animals amaze us. Is it frusiomide they put him on?

Ya I know we have to be positive! He's named after a warrior so I hope he will fight on. Yes he's on frusiomide and benazepril.
His last blood test he was anaemic but now he's not anymore and his new blood cells number is high. His kidney values have also improved very slightly.

 

[Yong & Maury GA]

Oh come on, Jebat, you can fight this kitty!

 

[TempestsMum]

Ya I know we have to be positive! He's named after a warrior so I hope he will fight on. Yes he's on frusiomide and benazepril.
His last blood test he was anaemic but now he's not anymore and his new blood cells number is high. His kidney values have also improved very slightly.

That's positive. Give him massive cuddles from me.