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Harley and Pattie

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I have a new diabetic foster that now has wonky kidney values. The rescues just said go with a lower protein diet. Well, when I do,that, carb goes up and her big numbers hit the roof. Can anyone help me please.

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What were the actual lab values? Several folks here can help you understand them better. Also, a high protein diet will elevate some values without it necessarily being a problem.
You need to know what stage of renal disease it is, if that is the actual diagnosis. The current thinking is that high quality protein is OK in stages 1 & 2 so that muscle wasting does not happen. See Tanya's web site at http://felinecrf.org for more info.
And there are some low carb, low phosphorus foods out there - but not Fancy Feast which is high in phosphorus.
 
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Hi Pattie,

I'm sorry to hear that your little foster has kidney issues. If he's early stage then the low protein diet may not be necessary. Phosphorus levels are important. There is plenty of help available. Here's a link to Tanya's Site - the best resource on the web for CKD kitties, well-respected and reliable too.

Tanya's Site

There's also a support group associated with Tanya's Site. I recommend that you join up. There are some very experienced members there who will be able to look over your foster kitty's labs and help you with food choices and much, much more.

Tanya's Feline CKD Support Group

(NB - there have been a few technical issues with the hosting provider of Tanya's Site recently. If you can't get onto the main site, go to the group's forum for help.)
 
I have a cat who has diabetes and early stage CRD. I feed her mainly home prepared food but I also keep canned food for emergencies. I use Weruva canned food. It has several ones that are suitable for both diabetes and CRD.
Check out www weruva.com
Not sure where you live but the 'cats in the kitchen' weruva canned foods are the ones I mainly use. And some of the pouches in that line as well. The website has all the carb, protein and phosphorus values on the website, so you can see the values of all the products...no guess work.
I agree with using high protein, and low phosphorus for CRD kitties.
 
Hi Pattie,

Although the 'traditional' view is that low protein diets are the way to go for cats with kidney disease, many people's experience is that their kitties do much better on a diet that isn't protein-restricted (particularly in the early stages of kidney disease). I think the low protein model may have been devised for dogs, and then cats were just treated the same way (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

I also took in a foster kitty who was then found to have kidney disease. (In our case the charity I foster for wanted to have him PTS, so we decided to formally adopt him so we could try to extend his life if possible).
One of the problems with low protein diets is that kitties can lose weight and muscle mass (especially if they don't like the food!). And that means they're less able to cope with any kind of illness. And of course, low protein diets tend to be high carb. And if a diabetic kitty's blood glucose goes up that can put even more strain on the kidneys...
Our CRF kitty was 'skin and bone' when we first took him in. But after a short while on a decent diet he put on a really nice amount of weight. That never would have happened if we'd fed him a low protein diet.
His blood phosphorous level was borderline high so I put 'phosphorous binder' in his food to help reduce phosphorous absorption.

I would have considered lower protein diet in the later stages of the disease, but unfortunately (and completely unexpectedly) he deteriorated over a matter of hours one day and had to be PTS. It was discovered - too late - that he had very high blood pressure, and that caused his death quite suddenly.
I wish I had know then what I know now about the dangers of high blood pressure in CRF kitties, and if one of my other kitties ever develops CRF in the future I will be forewarned and be able to take action sooner.
If at all possible I would strongly suggest that you get your foster kitty's blood pressure checked, as high blood pressure is treatable with medication.

Do have a look at the CRF site that BJ linked to in her post above. It is a fantastic resource. The info there is also available in (huge!) book form, and I've found the book to be even more useful than the website because I can mark the pages and make notes in it. ;) The CRF support forum is another great resource. People there are very kind and knowledgable. They helped me when I was completely lost, scared and clueless; and were endlessly patient in explaining things.

Your foster kitty is very lucky to have you care for him. Bless you, and good luck. :bighug::bighug::bighug:

Eliz
 
Hi Pattie... long time no see!

I agree with the others. If your foster isn't in end stage kidney disease a high protein - low carb diet that's lower in phosphorus is the way to go. I have a short list of low phos foods Alex ate which can be found on a tab in my spreadsheet (link in sig), but Ann & Tess has a more comprehensive list of lower phos foods included in Tess' spreadsheet. Check it out!
 
Squeaker is in Stage 4 and has been on sub-q fluids for about 6 months now and I still feed him a higher protein diet rather than the Rx foods. I add phosphorus binder to his meals and he is holding steady. One alternative for protein is cooked egg white. It has protein without the phosphorus. Even if you go with a lower protein food you can boost the protein content by adding the egg whites. Phosphorus is the main issue. Protein (meat based) contains phosphorus and phosphorus accelerates the decline of the kidneys----this is why lower protein foods are favored.

Another really good group for kidney cats is: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info
When you post on either kidney group it is helpful to post your cats lab results.
 
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