Citric Acid ?: 07/28 Blackie AMPS 132

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Angela & Blackie & 3 Others

Angela & Blackie & 3 Others

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Recap of past couple of days:

07/26

AMPS 128, 1.50u, 40g Evo 95% C&T, Cosequin
+1 81 - 37g Evo 95% C&T, Cosequin
+2 56
+2.5 60
PMPS 115, 1.50u, 40g Evo 95% C&T, Zobaline
+1 - 37g Evo 95% C&T, Cosequin

07/27

AMPS 130, 1.50u, 40g Evo 95% C&T, Cosequin
+1 - 37g Evo 95% C&T, Cosequin
+2 69
+6 82
+10 133
PMPS 123, 1.50u, 40g Evo 95% C&T, Zobaline
+1 - 37g Evo 95% C&T, Cosequin

WCR: All is well with Blackie. AMPS weight=10.70 lbs., and monitoring closely.

Question: I found a natural product for arthritis, and unfortunately it contains an inactive ingredient of 0.0075% Citric Acid. Is that ok to be given to a diabetic kitty? (I'm really guessing not, but wanted to ask just the same to be safe.)

http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Natural-Pet-Muscle-Joint-Arthritis-Reliever/458007.aspx

I also found a remedy for arthritis on Jackson Galaxy's website, or store, called Creak-Away. It seems like it's made for arthritic cats. I'll be calling them up this morning to find out if there is absolutely nothing glucose in it. The link is here:

http://www.spiritessences.com/product-p/creak-away.htm

I'm currently researching holistic medications as opposed to the traditional meds that we can get from the vet. With the Tramadol transdermal, although it's highly effective as I've used it before on Blackie after her lump removal, we can't afford that $210/month cost to make her comfortable. I need to find something, and the sooner, the better.

Sending tons of healing vines, positive thoughts and prayers to whoever needs them.

MY WISH: For God to help heal the broken hearts of those who lost a beloved pet and/or human... For God to help those ailing make a full and speedy recovery... For everyone, including Blackie, to have great #s... For everyone, including Blackie, to be OTJ.​
 
I don't know anything about the first remedythat you mentioned, but I probably wouldn't use it, just from glancing at the ingredients. The citric acid that you mention is, I believe, a preservative, and that doesn't worry me. It appears to contain rhododendron, which is toxic to cats, as well as poison ivy (Rhus toxicodendron). I just don't like any name containing "toxic". Salicylicum acidum sounds close to ASA (aspirin), which can be toxic to cats if not dosed properly. It contains St. John's Wort (Hypericum perforaticum) - I don't know if its good for cats or not. It contains phosphorus as well as other minerals, and my kidney cat wouldn't want any added phosphorus. I'm sure that these ingredients are in such small amounts that they would not be actually toxic (I hope). I don't understand the homeopathic philosophy, so I am speaking from a position of ignorance in that regard. Many people here are way more experienced in using these remedies, and they may be able to set me straight. My own personal opinion is that given the ingredient list, I would not be in a hurry to try to out on my arthritic cat.

I have not had a chance to check out the second product, but I would also look closely at each ingredient.
 
i get nervous about supplements too. Not that they aren't effective, because many are, but because they aren't as tested as pharmaceuticals are. it's not my area of expertise either, although the citric acid caught my eye. i'm allergic to it and have read plenty about it - it's grown in a vat. originally from limes but now cultured. i stay away from it, but the stuff is added to everything from food to shampoo.

what about acupuncture for Blackie? that's pretty helpful with arthritis, so is a heated pad, cosequin, adequan (can you buy it online to save $$) or dausequin. We gave punkin adequan and it definitely wasn't $200/month. Barbara/Tuffy said that the equine version of adequan was most effective in cats. i'd probably look into buying that online for her.
 
Unfortunately, even Adequan isn't affordable for us, so that'll be out of the equation.

The second link from Jackson Galaxy's website is an essence, or scent. This can be applied to the fur, or where she lays, and in water, and food. I just got off the phone with one of the ladies at the store, who told me about it. Apparently, Jackson works very closely with a holistic vet to create these different things for various problems, including upset tummies, and anxiety, and such. At this point, I'm willing to try this to see if it actually works on her. The lady that I spoke to has tried it on her previous cats with much success. I'll have to talk to hubby first to see if he'll agree to this, which I'm sure he will considering the cost ($23.95 for a bottle that'll last for about 4 months).

Thank you so much for the tips. I'll see if anyone on the main board has any success with this, also. Can't hurt to ask, right? :-D
 
Angela - here's the link to your last condo: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=122279

Did you talk to your vet about using buprenorphine? Tramadol was my vet's third choice after bupe and gabapentin and bupe is way cheaper than what you've been quoted for Tramadol. I didn't chime into your thread on cost of bupe cause it might cost totally different in Canada, like insulin does. But I get mine chicken flavored at a compounding pharmacy and it works out to a bit less than $1 a day.

Neko's acupuncture vet also recommended Hyaflex which Tara mentioned. You can buy it over the counter. The acupuncture vet is also trained on Chinese medicines and didn't recommend any other supplements for Neko's arthritis. She did show me how to do acupressure, which I do daily on either side of her spine. Neko also has a tight psoas muscle in her hind leg, and I've been doing muscle stretching exercises for it.

Paws crossed you can find something to help Blackie lead a more comfortable life.
 
I found the adequan at https://www.smartpakequine.com/adequan-im--647p for $48 for a 5ml vial. They are out of stock til Sept. 1. If i recall correctly, there is a nation-wide shortage of adequan at the moment. In any case, 5ml would last a while. Punkin's dose was 20units in a diabetes syringe, which is, i think, the same as .2ml. you'd want to double-check on that conversion, of course. Whatever it is, I bought adequan from our vet in a little test tube - probably a couple of teaspoons worth at a time and it was about $30. That amount lasted a long time, maybe 2 months. You begin with a frequent dose but then the intervals stretch out until you're giving it once every few weeks.

I'm just thinking it may not be as expensive as you are anticipating and it works pretty well in most cats. i think it's worth looking into.
 
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