Changing from hi to low carb dry and adding canned

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Low carb canned is not changing numbers at all on either cat. I would have thought the numbers would drop, but in one case they went up!
Do "you" think there is anything to the DM the vets try and force you to buy?
 
The dose makes the poison, ie. a small amount of high carb vs a high amount of low carb may result in an equal amount of glucose being available. And if the cat likes the low carb more, may be eating more calories so the glucose rises.

The DM may use a low glycemic index carbohydrate source, so it hits less quickly and may be handled better. However, you're feeding an obligate carnivore, so why not feed high protein, and skip the species inappropriate carbs?
 
I think it's dangerous leaving DM cats without food.

Anyhow I feed EVO dry which is lower than DM in carb value so why do vets push DM outside of profit of course. To me and some others feeding EVO is better than feeding DM.

On the wet side I feed low carb FF and EVO and Blue ranging from "0" carbs to 7% carbs

Prior to that it was all hi carb dry. Changing is supposed to make a difference. I expected numbers to drop. Their overall carb intake has had to drop 70% regardless of how much they eat which is no more that i can tell.
 
is there an actual relation between carbs and intake that is quantifiable?

In other words two cups of 6% vrs one cup of 12%. And does canned get metabolized differently?

Pet food makers give numbers as % of quantity like 12% of whats in a cup of food is carbs and to the numbers here it is how amny calories in a cup and the carbs are a percent of those calories.

It's too bad most of them don't at least use actual values so it would be easy to convert.
 
There are also some cats that are extremely carb sensitive as well....as few as 4 pieces of dry kibble even low carb grain free dry will spike Musette's BGs through the roof. But Maxwell has been caught whiskers deep in a pot of spaghetti and his numbers only went up a few points. Just one of those every cat is different kind of things. Same as both my diabetics eat the same food out of the same dish...Maxwell has been in remission for over a year, and Musette is still insulin dependent. Why one will go into remission with a simple diet change and one doesn't we really don't have an answer for other than one maybe type 1 and the other type 2.

Mel, Maxwell, Musette & The Fur Gang
 
For SOME cats, feeding after the insulin peaks (the nadir when referring to BG numbers) raises their numbers. You don't want to feed within two hours before the shot as the food will raise the BG and change the preshot numbers to where you can't see where the cat would really be. My cat has a funny curve, so I feed at shot time, at +1 and +2. He still gets treats throughout the cycle whenever I do a test. Others feed at +3 and +6. Most don't feed much after nadir, but some do. And some free feed and pick the food up a couple hours before shots. Until you you know your own cat's patterns, it will be hard to tell what's causing the higher numbers. For some cats 7% carbs is still too much. Many on here aim for 5% or less. I try not to go over 4-5% unless I need to slow a BG drop.

You also have to consider the source of the carbs. EVO is grain free, but it has fruit and vegetable ingredients. Cats are obligate carnivores, and ingredients from plant sources are unnecessary in the diet. Some cats are very sensitive to those things even if the % of carbs is low. If you're concerned about leaving food out, you can get a feeder with a timer that will open a compartment every couple of hours, or you can put canned food in ice cube trays and put a cube or two in the bowl overnight or while you're at work, so they stay fresh and the cats can eat them as they melt.

Remember that every cat is different. Without knowing how your cat reacts daily to insulin and food, it's impossible to know what's causing the higher numbers. Are you still only testing BG at the vet's? If so, that itself could be the cause. Stress can raise BG...my cat is good for a reading of 50 or more higher at the vet's than at home.
 
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