Cat in ICU (now out) 7/26 [bg broke 200's]

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Judy and Boomer said:
My vet uses a plug-in that has a smell that calms kitties. And he uses a clip at their scruff; he swears by these natural methods of calming pets. I don't remember the name of it but I'll try to find out tomorrow for you.
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Thanks.

I'd forgotten people clip cats. He can't to that. Scruffing of any kind raises his cranial pressure. At first the vet thought the meds were making him ill, then through trial and error awe discovered it was the pressure in his neck. I'm not sure that's the science of it, but he doesn't get scuffed for anything.

I know people that put spring clothes pins on their cats neck while giving sub-q fluids. It looks miserable for the cat, but it's supposed to be like a momma cat carrying them by the neck, I guess.

Plugins might be feliway.

Thanks for the ideas.
 
Judy and Boomer said:
Yes Feliway!
I can't say whether it works or not....Boomer becomes rather docile at the vets so nothing is really necessary to calm him.
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It bothers my asthma. When we go to the vet I always unplug it.

It works great on one of the civvies. Not so much for anyone else. The civvie is hilarious. He goes from screaming at the top of his lungs to mellow, kind of leans to the side on one arm, has some serious cool dude swag going on.
 
7/26
Best in bg check 212
Today was a no muffin, no furosemide day.

Food:
Force fed ad
Self fed new ff type
Self fed some Solid Gold Indigo Moon crunchies

Still under weight @ 12.2 lbs

Head still swollen and patrolling; not sleeping, won't put head down. Showing signs of head and face pain.

He is very growly today. He's my little baby and best friend. I used to be able to do anything to him and he'd purr and "help me". Now, when I tested his toes, he just growled. When I force fed, he growled and tried to refuse. This is new and confusing to me. The little boy that I was bonded to and was bonded to me, isn't there right now. O miss him. He used to purr and chirp at the sight of me. If he spotted me, he'd come tail up, trotting and purring while chirping. I'm missing that something terribly. I feel like he trusted me to protect him from the world and he was this little innocent being and I didn't protect him from myself. I feel horribly guilty for taking him to get the CT. He's not returning to himself and our bond feels like it's fading and it's breaking my heart ❤.

Wondering about your thoughts to returning to insulin.

I won't tonight.

I'm not sure he's strong enough to go without food for 2hrs for a true am/pmbg. He was with out food for 4 days at the university and dropped a lot of weight.

Thoughts on trying to go 2 hrs without food? Could that harm him with being do fragile?

Tomorrow we will try to go A/D and ff only.

Thanks for caring. I miss my boy. I miss him lighting-up when he sees me. I miss him purring when I touch him. I miss his arching his back to pet my hand when I per him. I really want him to sleep on my face and purr me to aleep again. I miss it.
 
HWright said:
I agree about finding alternatives to anesthesia for blood draws, especially in Apple's situation. Idk if even light sedation would be problematic for Apple. but at least light sedation can be just enough to calm and it clears the system quickly.

Idk if some other ideas are worth a try but I'll mention them just in case. I've had some reasonably good results with these for calming pre-vet visits (re three of my cats who've gotten the "fractious" moniker for different reasons: high kill shelter fear-aggression defenses; high kill shelter induced fear of abandonment panic attacks; the third (azalea) got a bad rep one time when she was sick, had severe nerve pain and was initially handled by a new tech who wouldn't listen to me and had no nuance skills.

I've had best pre-vet visit calming results with:
Bach rescue Remedy (pet or kids version) starting the night before;
Nat mur homeopathic (in lieu of rescue Remedy);
Thunder shirt or lightweight leash harness (for my fear-aggression kitty who responds as if she's temple grandin in her calming compression device).

Tried Valium once with my fear-aggression kitty, having been warned ahead of time by the vet that Valium can go either way. In Spunky's case, even 1/2 of the lowest dose had her literally climbing the walls til it wore off. ECID.

Members have mentioned other calming meds but, alas, I don't recall what they are.
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The alcohol in Bach's doesn't agree with my cats. His whole litter has not done well on it. It was more like that super strength reaction you law enforcement talk about when they have to have multiple officers to take down someone on meth with the superhuman strength.

Vet want a gapa....something. I don't want to try something new. He's not processing correctly, so I'm worried about risking it. Is rather keep his anesthesia for a life or death emergency. I'm worried about pushing his body. He's fragile.

What is nat mur? I've never heard of it.
 
apple said:
The alcohol in Bach's doesn't agree with my cats. His whole litter has not done well on it. It was more like that super strength reaction you law enforcement talk about when they have to have multiple officers to take down someone on meth with the superhuman strength.

Vet want a gapa....something. I don't want to try something new. He's not processing correctly, so I'm worried about risking it. Is rather keep his anesthesia for a life or death emergency. I'm worried about pushing his body. He's fragile.

What is nat mur? I've never heard of it.
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The pet and kids versions of rescue Remedy are alcohol-free.

Was it gabapentin that your vet is suggesting (am I understanding correctly that to the purpose of calming Apple)? Idk much about it, but others might.

Idk what to suggest about resuming or switching insulin. But @Osha (Amanda) comes to mind as having recently switched from Lantus to Levimir. So tagging her so that she help with questions.

Nat mur (Natmur muriaticum) is a homeopathic remedy. Homeopathic remedies are best when determined by arriving at the right constitutional remedy(ies) for the individual being, not by symptoms alone. That's why a remedy might be right for one cat but not as effective for another.

Adding Homeopathy to Apple's treatment plan for recovering from the anesthesia problem, diabetes etc and might be something to consider as it doesn't have the side effects that some meds have and can be integrated with traditional treatment plans.

Given that bringing Apple out (vet visits) right now isn't an option, I'd offered to give you the contact info of one of my homeopathic vets who does telephone consults (and does an initial free brief consult to discuss and so that you can see if this is right fit for you). If you'd like the contact info just let me know.

Oh yes, have you tried the liver shake or bone broth yet?
 
Oh yes, have you tried the liver shake or bone broth yet?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for all the information.
7/27
His bg was 145
Weight 12.2 lbs

I'm having a hard time functioning. The two things above and this message will probably be all that gets done today.

He used to light up when I came in a room, chirp, purr and greet me. He used to sleep on my face and purr me to sleep. We were stuck together like glue. People used to comment on how bonded we were and how devoted we were to each other. He used to put his arms around my neck and is carry him like a toddler.

Now, he growls when I'm near, doesn't want to be around me and there is no purring, chirping, or happy. His patrolling is slowing down and he sits but not sleep. If I want to hold him he growls and I'm missing my boy and our relationship. I miss his happy. He used to be so happy, he was so happy. He's not happy.

I think I've started grieving.

Please send the homeo info.

Edit: it breaks my heart he's not happy. It's really hard to swallow that he's not happy. And that I no longer make him happy. My best friend is missing.
 
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apple said:
Oh yes, have you tried the liver shake or bone broth yet?
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Thank you for all the information.
7/27
His bg was 145
Weight 12.2 lbs

I'm having a hard time functioning. The two things above and this message will probably be all that gets done today.

He used to light up when I came in a room, chirp, purr and greet me. He used to sleep on my face and purr me to sleep. We were stuck together like glue. People used to comment on how bonded we were and how devoted we were to each other. He used to put his arms around my neck and is carry him like a toddler.

Now, he growls when I'm near, doesn't want to be around me and there is no purring, chirping, or happy. His patrolling is slowing down and he sits but not sleep. If I want to hold him he growls and I'm missing my boy and our relationship. I miss his happy. He used to be so happy, he was so happy. He's not happy.

I think I've started grieving.

Please send the homeo info.

Edit: it breaks my heart he's not happy. It's really hard to swallow that he's not happy. And that I no longer make him happy. My best friend is missing.[/QUOTE]

@apple I'm pm'ing you the contact info now. Please hang in there. You both have been under more stress and worry than anyone should have to bear and you don't have to bear it in solitude.
 
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Praying that when he feels better he will be his old self once again. It's not that you don't make him happy, he just doesn't feel good, poor boy. He still loves you very much, it's important that you remember that. He know that you will do what's right and take care of him and get him feeling better. So don't grieve, just focus on helping him to get well, he needs you. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
HWright said:
Idk what to suggest about resuming or switching insulin. But @Osha (Amanda) comes to mind as having recently switched from Lantus to Levimir. So tagging her so that she help with questions.
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Sorry I wasn't online earlier. If there are specific questions I can answer about my experience with switching from Lantus to Levemir, I am happy to help. I have been very pleased with Levemir over Lantus.

I am so sorry for all that you are going through with your sweet kitty. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
7/28
bg 117
weight 12.2 lbs

I'm taking a break from life. Will do brief updates. Turns out I'm going through an I give up moment. Yesterday I force fed, tested, weighed and that's it. I didn't even have it in me to put the trash out for collection. Turns out I just don't care.

I also have emailed vet and requested a clear plan for care and recovery support.

Thank you for your support for my boy.
 
Would you be so kind as to start a new thread? We typically start a new thread (aka "condo") every day. Trying to plow through 200 posts is tough work. We link the daily posts together so it's easier to back track if necessary.
 
How are you and Apple today?

Did you get my pm with the homeopathic vet contact info?

As Sienna has suggested, good idea to start a new thread as this one has gotten quite long. Sometimes it's hard to do so when everything happening all at once.
Here's the link for your thread here so that you can easily copy and paste it when you can start a new day's thread.

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...7-26-bg-broke-200s.180956/page-3#post-2010086

I hope that you got some rest and will keep us posted on how you both are.
 
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