Not quite understanding the term I looked at some other posts on the board talking about it & pretty sure I get the gist of it but what does it mean in terms of dosage? Should you just look at all the numbers in between PS? Bitty's numbers are crazy being newly dx but it seems some are 4x what a few hours before are. His mid cycle numbers look good & to me almost indicate a slight decrease from 1U to .8U so since I'll be home this wknd I can test a lot to monitor how he's reacting to it consistently. Anyways I'm assuming this is bouncing b/c he eats small meals all day so I don't think it's a food spike. So if someone could interpret how you consider these numbers & their importance that would be great! Also just today he seems to be having a bit of dandruff, is that just during the transition of getting regulated or is that a sign we're going backwards somehow?
Can someone help with bouncing?
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Jenn & Baxter
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I am 2 months new so I don't think I am the best person to explain the term bouncing.
I looked at your SS what kind of carb treats are you feeding? Some treats are really high in carbs. Those could could be keeping the numbers high. I would take those away & try some other kind of lower carb treats. For example tuna flakes, freeze dried chicken or salmon. Those can be a little pricey so you could bake some chicken make sure it's pure (nothing on it.) cut into tiny pieces. I keep some in the freezer & pull them out as needed.
As for the dander....Baxter has been on PZI for 2 months. 3 weeks of that he went off insulin. He currently has dander. He is a Himilyan & I would say is coat is a mess. Not nearly what its suppose to look like. Salmon/fish oil is suppose to be good for their coats.
There will be some experienced members on soon who will be able to help more.
Good Luck!
Jenn & Baxter
I looked at your SS what kind of carb treats are you feeding? Some treats are really high in carbs. Those could could be keeping the numbers high. I would take those away & try some other kind of lower carb treats. For example tuna flakes, freeze dried chicken or salmon. Those can be a little pricey so you could bake some chicken make sure it's pure (nothing on it.) cut into tiny pieces. I keep some in the freezer & pull them out as needed.
As for the dander....Baxter has been on PZI for 2 months. 3 weeks of that he went off insulin. He currently has dander. He is a Himilyan & I would say is coat is a mess. Not nearly what its suppose to look like. Salmon/fish oil is suppose to be good for their coats.
There will be some experienced members on soon who will be able to help more.
Good Luck!
Jenn & Baxter
Melanie and Smokey
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Is there anywhere on the boards you post regularly to link to previous condos? I didn't spot your insulin, what do you use?
Some things I notice:
* You are often giving high carb treats on any green number prior to the high numbers. The greens are probably contributing to the bounce, but those high carb treats may also be why you are seeing high numbers. Usually we only resort to high carb when we get low numbers that are early in the cycle, like +1, +2, and are down in the 50s or 40s and below and just feed low carb food to flatten or "surf" those nice higher greens. Without knowing your history or kitty, is there something other than nerves that has you giving high carb treats on the higher greens at +4 and later in the cycle?
*You have been adjusting the dose. If you are using something like Lantus, it reacts best with consistant dosing. Unless we see an unsafe preshot number, we try to keep the dose consistant for a number a cycles to let the dose settle. The reduction in a dose in the PM could lead to a high AMPS number.
The liver most likely is responding to those low numbers by spilling sugar in a protective measure and that's what we refer to as bouncing. It will help to try to get everything else consistant, find a dose you are comfortable shooting all the time. No high carb unless you see a number under 60 or a really early cycle large drop that you can't monitor or something, but keep the high carb to the more emergent situations and see if you can stabalize everything.
Again all this is without knowing if there is something in the history of your cat that make the good green number more dangerous. For most cats 60-100 are really nice mid-cycle numbers to see.
As the diabetes gets regulated, if you are feeding a wet food diet that dander should clean up nicely.
Some things I notice:
* You are often giving high carb treats on any green number prior to the high numbers. The greens are probably contributing to the bounce, but those high carb treats may also be why you are seeing high numbers. Usually we only resort to high carb when we get low numbers that are early in the cycle, like +1, +2, and are down in the 50s or 40s and below and just feed low carb food to flatten or "surf" those nice higher greens. Without knowing your history or kitty, is there something other than nerves that has you giving high carb treats on the higher greens at +4 and later in the cycle?
*You have been adjusting the dose. If you are using something like Lantus, it reacts best with consistant dosing. Unless we see an unsafe preshot number, we try to keep the dose consistant for a number a cycles to let the dose settle. The reduction in a dose in the PM could lead to a high AMPS number.
The liver most likely is responding to those low numbers by spilling sugar in a protective measure and that's what we refer to as bouncing. It will help to try to get everything else consistant, find a dose you are comfortable shooting all the time. No high carb unless you see a number under 60 or a really early cycle large drop that you can't monitor or something, but keep the high carb to the more emergent situations and see if you can stabalize everything.
Again all this is without knowing if there is something in the history of your cat that make the good green number more dangerous. For most cats 60-100 are really nice mid-cycle numbers to see.
As the diabetes gets regulated, if you are feeding a wet food diet that dander should clean up nicely.
Well the 1st night home after the vet gave him 5U of PZI he went hypo & I nearly lost him so it makes me really nervous to see him in low 60's when it's not even mid cycle. He only gets freeze dried chicken treats unless I see he's a lil low I'll give him 3-5 of the carbs treats just to make sure he doesn't keep dropping. Those are whisker lickens so I have no idea how many carbs they have but I'm sure not enough to bounce him that high with only a few of them. 2hrs after the treats he only went to 74 so not that much of a difference. That's only the 2nd time I've given those treats to him so they're not an equation in recent numbers. He gets all pâté wet foods under 8% carbs with added water so he's eating the right food as well. I'm moving him down .2 to start with & see how that goes over the wknd but since I haven't been home to test as much this week that's why I did .5U. I didn't wanna overdo it when I couldn't watch him. Think that covers it & thanks for the info!!
Melanie and Smokey
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As I said, the history of the cat may make a difference and yes, a history of a symptomatic hypo situation should definitely have you being a little more cautious. It may also may him a little more sensitive to insulin and have his body panicing over lower numbers and being a little more bouncy.
Since it looks like you are using PZI, I believe it is a little more forgiving than the L insulins so the varying doses won't have as great an effect either, I don't know the insulin that much as I've only dealt with the Ls myself. But I don't believe PZI deals with a insulin shed like the Ls do and that is where the varied doses can cause problems.
Hopefully you can find a dose this weekend while you can test more that you will be comfortable with and can get him on a smooth schedule so he will come out of the bouncing. It can take up to 3 days for a bounce to clear their system so try not to panic too much if you see a higher number right after a low one. Let the dose settle and if the high number doesn't clear after a few days, then consider a dose increase.
Since it looks like you are using PZI, I believe it is a little more forgiving than the L insulins so the varying doses won't have as great an effect either, I don't know the insulin that much as I've only dealt with the Ls myself. But I don't believe PZI deals with a insulin shed like the Ls do and that is where the varied doses can cause problems.
Hopefully you can find a dose this weekend while you can test more that you will be comfortable with and can get him on a smooth schedule so he will come out of the bouncing. It can take up to 3 days for a bounce to clear their system so try not to panic too much if you see a higher number right after a low one. Let the dose settle and if the high number doesn't clear after a few days, then consider a dose increase.
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