Buddy's Mom needs help with dosing part 9

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Thanks Teresa, still haven't decided 100% but have another month or two with current Prozinc vial. I don't know if I feel better after taking him either :confused:. Glad they didn't find anything but he's been acting weird since we got home :facepalm:
 
On 6/2/2017, was Buddy's 6 month anniversary with FDMB. He does not seem to be doing as well with his BG numbers as newer members of FDMB. I was not able to get on line yesterday to post Buddy's anniversary. His numbers were terrible yesterday. With the amount of insulin he is using we will not get very much time out of a vial. Maybe next post I will not complain as much.
 
Aww you are never complaining to us, Teresa! :bighug: I'm sorry Buddy's numbers are not doing well. How are you both feeling though? Is Buddy acting OK? Feel free to vent on us as much as you desire! :bighug:
 
Aww you are never complaining to us, Teresa! :bighug: I'm sorry Buddy's numbers are not doing well. How are you both feeling though? Is Buddy acting OK? Feel free to vent on us as much as you desire! :bighug:
I awoke this morning to Buddy throwing up a fur ball, I hope this is no indecidication (spelling) on how the rest of the day is going to be.
 
It does seem to be the season for those! Hopefully it just means that he'll now feel better and have a great day!!!
 
I awoke this morning to Buddy throwing up a fur ball, I hope this is no indecidication (spelling) on how the rest of the day is going to be.
If anything, getting rid of a fur ball will make him feel better. I know what it feels like to go through periods where you think that you're getting nowhere. Just keep on with the gradual dose increases, Teresa. Eventually you'll get a breakthrough. Yes, higher doses will consume the $$$ ProZinc more quickly and that's unfortunate.

There's always Lantus to think about down the line if the cost of ProZinc becomes too much. It costs about the same up front but it's a more concentrated insulin (2.5 x more concentrated than ProZinc) so it goes a lot further.
 
If anything, getting rid of a fur ball will make him feel better. I know what it feels like to go through periods where you think that you're getting nowhere. Just keep on with the gradual dose increases, Teresa. Eventually you'll get a breakthrough. Yes, higher doses will consume the $$$ ProZinc more quickly and that's unfortunate.

There's always Lantus to think about down the line if the cost of ProZinc becomes too much. It costs about the same up front but it's a more concentrated insulin (2.5 x more concentrated than ProZinc) so it goes a lot further.
I hope so, at least he was not throwing up ! I always keep the cerenia handy. I looked at Teasel SS the other day and he had a lot of blue & green. Every time I up Buddy's dose he decides he does not want to eat, so to keep him from crashing I give him Purina Om dry and then on the next test he is in the PINK. There is no store where I live that sells Evo, I have called them all today. When I give Buddy
some YA in one of his dishes, he walks by like he does not even see it.

I have thought about Lantus, because of the reason you mentioned and hoping to get Buddy in the right number. Buddy needs for his pancreas to have a rest. Is there a pharmacy in Canada where some FDMB members order Lantus from, seems like to me it is (a man"s first name) Marina. Buddy's doc has never mentioned Lantus, but I have been thinking about asking him. All of these sick cats are really hurting my check book.
 
I hope so, at least he was not throwing up ! I always keep the cerenia handy. I looked at Teasel SS the other day and he had a lot of blue & green. Every time I up Buddy's dose he decides he does not want to eat, so to keep him from crashing I give him Purina Om dry and then on the next test he is in the PINK. There is no store where I live that sells Evo, I have called them all today. When I give Buddy
some YA in one of his dishes, he walks by like he does not even see it.

I have thought about Lantus, because of the reason you mentioned and hoping to get Buddy in the right number. Buddy needs for his pancreas to have a rest. Is there a pharmacy in Canada where some FDMB members order Lantus from, seems like to me it is (a man"s first name) Marina. Buddy's doc has never mentioned Lantus, but I have been thinking about asking him. All of these sick cats are really hurting my check book.
Hi Teresa,

The Canadian pharmacy people order from is Marks Marine Pharmacy in Vancouver, British Columbia. They need a prescription from your vet. You can Google them to find out more. You could try asking your vet about Lantus.
 
I went to church this morning, then I stopped at the grocery store on my way home. I stopped mainly to pick up some food that Buddy likes. One day I went to the $$ store and I saw some 9 lives liver & chicken pate, I got to thinking someone on FDMB uses this so I bought some. All of my cats liked this 1 flavor including Buddy. The only problem was I could not find it any where, even the $$ store. I finally found some at Meijers (is like a more expensive Wal-Mart). I really did not realize that 9 live cat food was made anymore and it is the cheapest cat food that I have found, Buddy loves it.
I have my fingers crossed about Buddy, he is eating a lot (too high BG). He has vet appt on Friday for another US. He is not as painful as last Sunday and Monday. I am hoping and praying for a good out come for Buddy. How are you and your fur babies and how is everyone else doing. I know that all of your are staying busy helping everyone else. Keep up the good work. Good wishes for Buddy.
I've been feeding Chloe 9-Lives and she likes it, but now I've switched to YA. I hope Buddy gets well.
 
I've been feeding Chloe 9-Lives and she likes it, but now I've switched to YA. I hope Buddy gets well.
Thank you, Buddy is a very picky eater, sometimes I think it is because he is nauseous. Buddy has a history of pancreatitis. Buddy had eaten Purina OM Dry for several years and he loves it, except it has 13 % carb. I have ordered YA for Buddy 2 Times, but he still wants the other dry, I think I am going to see about ordering Evo dry for him.

How is your kitty doing. It seems as though YA would be the perfect food for any cat, does your kitty like it.
 
Hi Teresa,

The Canadian pharmacy people order from is Marks Marine Pharmacy in Vancouver, British Columbia. They need a prescription from your vet. You can Google them to find out more. You could try asking your vet about Lantus.

Thank you, I am going to check into it. I don't know if Buddy's vet sells it, we get the ProZinc from him and he is cheaper than any one else I have seen. Even at his price it is too much, especially since there are so many other things you have to buy for a diabetic cat.
 
Hi Teresa,

How are you and Buddy doing? I see that you've been raising his dose but he's still in flat yellow. Is that because he's eating high carb dry? Have you experimented with low carb food again? I know he has appetite issues and keeping him eating is key. You might just have to dose around that.
 
Hi Teresa,

How are you and Buddy doing? I see that you've been raising his dose but he's still in flat yellow. Is that because he's eating high carb dry? Have you experimented with low carb food again? I know he has appetite issues and keeping him eating is key. You might just have to dose around that.
With Buddy you never know, I have had several doctor appointment's and I have one today. Buddy is eating 9lives wet and this is supposed to be low carbs, I have had to put FortiFlora on his wet food to get him to eat. I ordered him some Evo dry food, we received it yesterday and he seems to like it better than YA. I have tried to stay with low carb food, the only exception was Purina OM several times when he would not eat his wet food.

Do you mind if I ask if you use Lantus pens or a vial. I want to really look into this some more, but I have not had the time. From what I have read with Lantus you must stay exactly with 12 hr to 12 hr, not 13hr to 11hr for insulin shots. I must admit that at times I do this. Do you know of anything I would need to know about Lantus, like if a cat was using 4 u of Prozinc, what amount of Lantus would that be. Since Buddy is using a large dose of insulin I need to change to something else. I live on Social Security which is not a large amount of money each month. If you can think of anything to help me with this decision please let me know.
 
Hi Teresa,

How are you and Buddy doing? I see that you've been raising his dose but he's still in flat yellow. Is that because he's eating high carb dry? Have you experimented with low carb food again? I know he has appetite issues and keeping him eating is key. You might just have to dose around that.
Do you still have any YA food? You have to follow their instructions and not give any other food. At first Chloe loved it. Now she eats less, but they say to only feed 1/2 cup per day and leave it out for free feeding. She eats it when she's hungry, but a little at a time. Maybe it's my imagination, but after using it for a week, she seems more perky. And she's making good poops. I can't remember the last time I saw her poop!
 
Do you still have any YA food? You have to follow their instructions and not give any other food. At first Chloe loved it. Now she eats less, but they say to only feed 1/2 cup per day and leave it out for free feeding. She eats it when she's hungry, but a little at a time. Maybe it's my imagination, but after using it for a week, she seems more perky. And she's making good poops. I can't remember the last time I saw her poop!
I still have some YA, but Buddy was never a fan. A lot of people feed wet food and YA, which I tried but it did not work. Buddy is a kibble lover instead of wet food. I got Buddy some EVO dry yesterday and it seems as though he likes it. I hope the YA works good for you & Chloe.
 
Teresa,
I'm probably making the switch to Lantus as well and plan on getting the pens. I've heard about too many wasting the vial, which is more expensive anyways :facepalm:. I have read Lantus is more schedule strict and instead of our 1 hour Prozinc flex window, Lantus seems to be 15 minute flex window, which I have to figure out how stalling might throw it off :bookworm:. Obviously, there are going to be a couple people who work 12 hour shifts so they can't strictly stick to the 12/12 schedule but it is perceived to be less ideal. Since Buddy is approaching 6.0U of Prozinc, my thoughts are that you wouldn't need to start him at 1.0U but maybe half like 3.0U starting dose for Buddy. *Please let someone else confirm my thought*.

I arrived at this idea because Maury is on like 2.2U and Vet told me I should start him on 1.0U (about half his Prozinc dose), so that's where that came from. Also, I'm planning to buy from Mark's in Canada. Vet already wrote a script for Maury. There is also a guy in Supply Closet that sells Lantus pens, I think Alan Hamman is the main one. The other guy, Ramon Vargas passed away.

I'll try to help where I can since we're kind of in the same boat :)
 
Another thought...since Buddy is getting into higher doses, you MIGHT consider Levemir instead. Works very similar to Lantus, but is thought to sting less at higher doses...just maybe a question to ask in that forum?
 
I would recommend posting on the Lantus/Levemir forum and asking the folks over there to make recommendations for starting doses since they've helped quite a number of people make the transition.
 
Teresa,
I'm probably making the switch to Lantus as well and plan on getting the pens. I've heard about too many wasting the vial, which is more expensive anyways :facepalm:. I have read Lantus is more schedule strict and instead of our 1 hour Prozinc flex window, Lantus seems to be 15 minute flex window, which I have to figure out how stalling might throw it off :bookworm:. Obviously, there are going to be a couple people who work 12 hour shifts so they can't strictly stick to the 12/12 schedule but it is perceived to be less ideal. Since Buddy is approaching 6.0U of Prozinc, my thoughts are that you wouldn't need to start him at 1.0U but maybe half like 3.0U starting dose for Buddy. *Please let someone else confirm my thought*.

I arrived at this idea because Maury is on like 2.2U and Vet told me I should start him on 1.0U (about half his Prozinc dose), so that's where that came from. Also, I'm planning to buy from Mark's in Canada. Vet already wrote a script for Maury. There is also a guy in Supply Closet that sells Lantus pens, I think Alan Hamman is the main one. The other guy, Ramon Vargas passed away.

I'll try to help where I can since we're kind of in the same boat :)
I am considering changing insulin because Buddy is getting to a very high dose and I will not be able to afford to buy the ProZinc. Plus I am thinking maybe 1 of the other insulins might work better for him. I have not talked to his Vet yet, hopefully he would think that it would be alright to change. Wonder how anyone would have pens for sale or maybe how did they get them. I also was wondering about the 12 and 12, because I cannot always get Buddy to eat.
 
Another thought...since Buddy is getting into higher doses, you MIGHT consider Levemir instead. Works very similar to Lantus, but is thought to sting less at higher doses...just maybe a question to ask in that forum?
I did not know that, does Levemir come in pens. Does anyone know of anybody feeding Evo dry food, I got Buddy some and he loved it but it made his BG go up. I wanted to know if anyone else had a problem with EVO.
 
Wonder how anyone would have pens for sale or maybe how did they get them. I also was wondering about the 12 and 12, because I cannot always get Buddy to eat.
I think some on supply closet get them through their Medicare, don't need them personally, and sell them here at a reduced price for us but they probably still make some extra money for themselves. Lantus land is probably going to get three of us in the next month lol.
 
Just saw your post about EVO. I read recently that JanetNJ heard they changed formula so instead of 8% carb is now about 12% or something.
 
It was a change they made a few years back, but people persist in offering Evo as a "good" choice. It is really too high in carbs for our kitties though. If it's all he'll eat though, you can probably dose around it. Eating is important!
 
It was a change they made a few years back, but people persist in offering Evo as a "good" choice. It is really too high in carbs for our kitties though. If it's all he'll eat though, you can probably dose around it. Eating is important!
Yes, absolutely, eating is important! I had just recently seen that comment about the change so wasn't sure if they did it again, especially since Teresa noticed it raised Buddy's BG a little. :). I will go back to my library and figure it out :bookworm:;)
 
I think some on supply closet get them through their Medicare, don't need them personally, and sell them here at a reduced price for us but they probably still make some extra money for themselves. Lantus land is probably going to get three of us in the next month lol.
You are probably right, but I am worried about how much the kitty should eat at shot time
Just saw your post about EVO. I read recently that JanetNJ heard they changed formula so instead of 8% carb is now about 12% or something.
I feed it to him last night and his BG shot up into pink and the same thing happened today. Buddy would love to eat it, but I will only feed it to him in am emergency. Now I have a bag of YA that Buddy will not eat and a bag of EVO that I will not feed him.
 
Just saw your post about EVO. I read recently that JanetNJ heard they changed formula so instead of 8% carb is now about 12% or something.
WOW! I did not know that, we just got the EVO yesterday. His dry cat food he ate before his diabetes has 13% carbs.
 
It was a change they made a few years back, but people persist in offering Evo as a "good" choice. It is really too high in carbs for our kitties though. If it's all he'll eat though, you can probably dose around it. Eating is important!
It raised him up into the pink and I am afraid of UTI's
 
I wonder if you could mix some of it with the YA? Would he just eat around the YA and pick out the EVO? Dry food does increase the chance of urinary tract issues, so make sure he gets at least some canned food and lots of water.
 
I wonder if you could mix some of it with the YA? Would he just eat around the YA and pick out the EVO? Dry food does increase the chance of urinary tract issues, so make sure he gets at least some canned food and lots of water.
Tonight Buddy has only been giving canned food, maybe in an emergency to get him to eat I might give him some EVO. I don't know why I thought Evo had 4% carbs
 
I think because people post that about Evo fairly often. Some say 4%, some 8%. It's been at 12% since at least 2015 though because I did exactly what you did during our first diagnosis here, and then did some research and found out better. I still keep a little around in the freezer in case I need it for hypos or extreme bribery. ;)
 
I think because people post that about Evo fairly often. Some say 4%, some 8%. It's been at 12% since at least 2015 though because I did exactly what you did during our first diagnosis here, and then did some research and found out better. I still keep a little around in the freezer in case I need it for hypos or extreme bribery. ;)
Sorry, it took me so long to reply. I would not have known about this food if I had not seen it on FDMB and the bad thing is he really liked this kibble. I have here Purina Om (prescription diet) which is 13% carbs that Buddy loves, but it also throws is BG sky high. He is already taking 5.8u of insulin 2x a day, I sure do not want to do anything to make him need more insulin.
 
This is the first time I have been able to post anything in about a week, I have got on FDMB several times and looked around, but I had to get off to take care of something here. Things have been very busy here. Hope all you ladies and your lovely kitty's are all doing fine, I know all of you are out their helping every one else. Buddy has been about the same, we still do not have the right dose and don't know if we ever will. When he needs to eat, he doesn't want to, so then I am afraid to give him a larger dose.

I do not know if kitty's take cyproheptadine all the time, or if they should. I have some that the first vet he saw at this hospital wrote a script for, but I do not know if his current vet will do the same. I have not had the time to look into the L insulin's Lately, my biggest concern at this time is the not wanting to eat before shot time. Maybe if I get time to look into these insulin's, I will have other concern's.
 
Hi Teresa! Nice to see your post. I like those blues you got at 6 u. It proves that he can come down and his good dose is in that range.
 
Hi Teresa! Nice to see your post. I like those blues you got at 6 u. It proves that he can come down and his good dose is in that range.
I am trying to get him to eat at shot time so I can give him 6u, I don't give the cyproheptadine before each meal because I do not know if that would be bad for him. Also, I do not know if can get more and Buddy is so picky you never know what he will eat. I just hope there is nothing wrong with him, he does not seem painful when I feel around on him. He does not seem to be sick, just picky.
 
Hope you are not running yourself down too much, Teresa :)
That 6.0U did very nice but I know how you feel when they don't want to eat. Maury is doing this a little bit right now with his wet food :facepalm:
 
Hope you are not running yourself down too much, Teresa :)
That 6.0U did very nice but I know how you feel when they don't want to eat. Maury is doing this a little bit right now with his wet food :facepalm:
At PMPS he ate a little bit, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 can of 3.0 oz wet food. He wanted to sit and look outside instead of eat. Sometimes he will start crying around like he wants to eat, but when you give it to him he will take a few bites. He would like to have FF grilled with gravy,then he would eat. Buddy is very vocal, more than any other cat I ever had and I have had a few.
 
At PMPS he ate a little bit, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 can of 3.0 oz wet food. He wanted to sit and look outside instead of eat. Sometimes he will start crying around like he wants to eat, but when you give it to him he will take a few bites. He would like to have FF grilled with gravy,then he would eat. Buddy is very vocal, more than any other cat I ever had and I have had a few.
That's sounds very much like what Maury's been doing! I gave in and gave him his MC for his meal and he ate all of it :)
 
MC means Medium Carb. I think it's usually used for foods that are above 10%, but not super high. Hopefully someone else can clarify the actual range that counts as medium.
 
Sometimes you gotta give in to what they need and dose around it.
That is true, but what Buddy wants is what I use to bring his numbers up when he gets to low. He is already taking 6u of Prozinc, could you imagine what his numbers would be if I let him eat what he wants.
 
Hi Teresa,
If Buddy prefers medium carb food and he'll eat it with no/less shows of pickiness, then feed him that and dose around it. Having him eat regularly and willingly is more important.
 
Hi Teresa,
If Buddy prefers medium carb food and he'll eat it with no/less shows of pickiness, then feed him that and dose around it. Having him eat regularly and willingly is more important.
I would do that, but what Buddy wants is high carb FF grilled, that I use to bring his numbers back up.
 
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/dr-pierson-new-food-chart.174147/
Have you looked at this food list to see what the % carbs is or to find other medium carb foods he might like?
I have not looked for MC foods, but I will try to today, I have looked at carb count list to see % of carbs. When I have looked before I was looking for low carb foods. Right now Bud Cat is eating Royal Canin Glycobalance and YA. Just happened to have 3 cases of Royal Canin that I had ordered from Chewy when Buddy was eating this before. Last week he would not look at YA, this week he is going after it. I do not know if he is being picky or if sometimes some foods make him feel sick. Last week he was eating 9Lives, not so this week. I just happened to be stocked up on 9Lives, I even have coupons from this company.
 
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