Buddy PMPS#395 +4 333

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Mike&Buddy

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OK, my reservations of going to a cheaper meter have raised its head. I tested Bud that read 333, 20 seconds later I tested again and it read 354. Now, could he have spiked that much BG in 30 seconds into his blood stream?

We gave him 0.75 in hopes we are estimating this right that his BG has been rising since this morning.

OK, its over 300 now, this is a concern. :?
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 Wondering about this meter

The BG is probably a bounce for the blues Buddy had last night (liver panic). That is a normal reaction to getting some lower numbers. I have used ReliOn for 2 1/2 years and never had a problem. Have checked it against the AlphaTrak I have and the variance is usually 8-10 points.
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 Wondering about this meter

Barbara and tuffy said:
The BG is probably a bounce for the blues Buddy had last night (liver panic). That is a normal reaction to getting some lower numbers. I have used ReliOn for 2 1/2 years and never had a problem. Have checked it against the AlphaTrak I have and the variance is usually 8-10 points.

That makes sense, never gave that a thought. He seems perky, rather happy and jumped up on the bed while we got things ready for work.
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 Wondering about this meter

Hey Mike - I'm Mike too, Gracied assistant bean. They say that with the human meters, plus or minus 5% is usually considered to be in the normal range of variation and considered to be the same number. a difference of 21 points is around that 5% in the 300s. We have checked Gracie in the past and said that can't be right, checked her again and got a slightly different number. I'm not one of the experts around here, but I don't think different numbers on tests in short succession is that unusual.
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 Wondering about this meter

Marjorie and Gracie said:
Hey Mike - I'm Mike too, Gracied assistant bean. They say that with the human meters, plus or minus 5% is usually considered to be in the normal range of variation and considered to be the same number. a difference of 21 points is around that 5% in the 300s. We have checked Gracie in the past and said that can't be right, checked her again and got a slightly different number. I'm not one of the experts around here, but I don't think different numbers on tests in short succession is that unusual.

Well, this still makes me wonder. It's never really been this high. So is this a liver panic or just the food he ate while being shot?
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 +1 375, 2nd try 350 Concern?

hey Mike - I was just talking about getting a different number on two closely spaced tests. I think Barbara is correct about why his number is so high this morning. When he dropped into blue, his liver saw that as a problem and released sugar and hormones to fix it. Gracie still does it, goes low followed by a bounce. Until the liver calms down and stops reacting that way, they call it liver training school around here, you will probably keep seeing it. Frustrating, but part of the process.
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 +1 375, 2nd try 350 Concern?

OK, well then he seems OK. But yeah, we think you guys are right. Honestly we will still be worried at work...eh, worry wart Dad!
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 +1 375, 2nd try 350 Concern?

Hi Mike,

I also use the Relion Confirm and am very happy with it.

As others have said, this is most likely a bounce from the pretty blues Buddy saw last night. This is not unusual, he may continue to rise or stay in higher numbers for a while. Bounces can take up to 72 hours to clear. There could be some food influence in the +1 number too.

Meters can have a 20% variance and be considered accurate. Because it is a percentage, the variance is bigger at higher numbers. The numbers you are seeing are well within the variance.

Hang in there, he'll come back down! Nice numbers last night, I hope he clears the bounce quickly and gets back down to the blues soon!
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 +1 375, 2nd try 350 Concern?

You guys are a great help! I was a little apprehensive to go to work, but I think we will be OK.
:smile:

Thanks!
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 +1 375, 2nd try 350 Concern?

Re. the back-to-back tests: There's anywhere from a 10 - 20% variance in testing due to error. As a result, if you test with different meters or test the way you did this morning, it's unlikely that you'll get exactly the same number.

The higher numbers you are seeing are the result of a bounce. Buddy is not used to being in blue numbers. As Barbara noted, his liver "panicked" and dumped a stored form of glucose along with counterregulatory hormones into his bloodstream. This causes numbers to rise. That's the good news. The bad news is that it can take up to 72 hours for a bounce to clear. (We refer to the process of getting a cat's liver to stop overreacting as Liver Training School.)
 
Re: 2/10 Buddy AMPS# 333 +1 375, 2nd try 350 Concern?

Hello,

We are home. Whew! Needless to say we still had that worry thingie sitting on my shoulder now and then whispering in my ear. He was snoozing on the recliner when I came home. Gives me that wonderful chirping purguling hello as always. I always smile and chuckle when he does that. So, 30 minutes till PMPS. Before I new better he got a little bit of FF beef because the big share bowl was empty, maybe about four table spoons. Doh! Sorry, I am so tired tonight, I just can't get my body to adjust to this curve routine just yet. I hope this does not throw off the reading to much. :?
 
Re: Buddy PMPS#395 Must be that liver retraining thing

It is 395, ouch! This liver retraining thing is a real nail biter I guess. Got his 0.75 as usual.

He is so good about all of this, I hope he knows I do this because I love the big fella!

Will be here for a short, we are really beat but back up at +4................
 
It was down to 333 this morning at 5:30 am, he seemed fine and was sleeping in the recliner. For some reason he has preferred that of late to rather sleeping in bed next to me for about 30 minutes before he gets up and starts prowling the house being a sentinel. I hope the liver training is almost done, this can be exasperating.
 
Barbara and tuffy said:
FYI Bounces from lower numbers can take 72 hours to clear. As he adjust to lower numbers they tend to clear faster.

I read an earlier post it was 72, so that pretty much the status quo of this. Arg, a few days huh. I understand, thanks for the confirmation.
 
Mike&Buddy said:
OK, my reservations of going to a cheaper meter have raised its head. I tested Bud that read 333, 20 seconds later I tested again and it read 354. Now, could he have spiked that much BG in 30 seconds into his blood stream?

We gave him 0.75 in hopes we are estimating this right that his BG has been rising since this morning.

OK, its over 300 now, this is a concern. :?

Hi Mike,

You're getting some expert advice on the liver glycogen release phenomenon, etc., so I won't comment. RE the meter, no worries, I would not even blink an eye at 354 vs 333. Would the bg have risen that much in 20 seconds? No, your common sense reaction is correct -- but it's not the bg, almost certainly, but a variation in the meter's performance, or more likely the test strip.

The Relion's a good meter. We (wife and yours truly) researched meters and being a bit technology oriented, I got into how these devices do their thing, how the test strip works, the chemical and electrical processes etc., and + / - 5% slosh factor, like Marjorie suggested, is very common. In fact ISO (the international standards org that sets parameters for these kinds of things) simply asks of a meter that it is within 20% of a professional lab reading of the same sample, 95% of the time. Of course with the Relion, you are using the same meter against itself, essentially the same moment in time, and you're in the same ambient temp, humidity, etc.. so I would guess this is strip, sample or handling. If your fingers touched the strip's "business end" or touched it differently on the first reading or the second, that can account for it. Or that same variance could come from a tiny bobble in the electric current the meter shoots to assess the glucose level, exactly because it is such a small current. Also undetectable variations in the materials at manufacturing -- not even different batches of strips, but from strip to strip -- can account for that amount of data fluctuation.

Ilkka
 
Ilkka and Tom said:
Mike&Buddy said:
OK, my reservations of going to a cheaper meter have raised its head. I tested Bud that read 333, 20 seconds later I tested again and it read 354. Now, could he have spiked that much BG in 30 seconds into his blood stream?

We gave him 0.75 in hopes we are estimating this right that his BG has been rising since this morning.

OK, its over 300 now, this is a concern. :?

Hi Mike,

You're getting some expert advice on the liver glycogen release phenomenon, etc., so I won't comment. RE the meter, no worries, I would not even blink an eye at 354 vs 333. Would the bg have risen that much in 20 seconds? No, your common sense reaction is correct -- but it's not the bg, almost certainly, but a variation in the meter's performance, or more likely the test strip.

The Relion's a good meter. We (wife and yours truly) researched meters and being a bit technology oriented, I got into how these devices do their thing, how the test strip works, the chemical and electrical processes etc., and + / - 5% slosh factor, like Marjorie suggested, is very common. In fact ISO (the international standards org that sets parameters for these kinds of things) simply asks of a meter that it is within 20% of a professional lab reading of the same sample, 95% of the time. Of course with the Relion, you are using the same meter against itself, essentially the same moment in time, and you're in the same ambient temp, humidity, etc.. so I would guess this is strip, sample or handling. If your fingers touched the strip's "business end" or touched it differently on the first reading or the second, that can account for it. Or that same variance could come from a tiny bobble in the electric current the meter shoots to assess the glucose level, exactly because it is such a small current. Also undetectable variations in the materials at manufacturing -- not even different batches of strips, but from strip to strip -- can account for that amount of data fluctuation.

Ilkka

I think the possibility of touching it (strips) may have been possible or the fact it is a new meter and has the hic-up trials.

Thanks
 
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