Bubba 3.28 AM= 90, +3.5 =50

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Bobbie And Bubba

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Good Morning L& L ~

I decided to keep the safety reduction since Bubba was still running lower with it. Hope this trend continues. He has been a good boy and a good thing! Because Forrest is another story today.

Forrest: Yesterday, he had redeemed himself by being a good boy for his fast and for the commute. This morning, he made up for it. Woke me up at 5:30 and went to the door so I let him out. He just sat on the stoop so I started to get the breakfast together and he wanted back in without ever going off the stoop. He came in and went over to his food station again and hosed down the little bath mat I placed there to help him with traction on the hard wood floors :banghead: I just don't know what to think of this behavior. Is he still saying "something is wrong" or is it that he wants to eat more than he has to go to the bathroom and just can't wait? DH thinks the latter and said for me to sit him outside with a tsp of his food and not to let him back in again until he relieves himself. Any ideas?

Vines to all Beans and Kitties in need.
 
Is he still a bit backed up? If he is, that could be what he's "talking about" with the pee. Or, he possibly could just be stressed from all that has happened in the last few weeks and it may take him a while to settle in. Or, even if he's not backed up, it still may take time for his insides to heal up and feel better. I have read in the past that when they have LB discomfort, they often seek out soft surfaces like mats for peeing.

You could try using Cat Attract litter in the boxes. I've never used it, but I've heard good things about it.
 
Amy&TrixieCat said:
Is he still a bit backed up? If he is, that could be what he's "talking about" with the pee. Or, he possibly could just be stressed from all that has happened in the last few weeks and it may take him a while to settle in. Or, even if he's not backed up, it still may take time for his insides to heal up and feel better. I have read in the past that when they have LB discomfort, they often seek out soft surfaces like mats for peeing.

You could try using Cat Attract litter in the boxes. I've never used it, but I've heard good things about it.
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As of yesterday's US he did have fecal matter inside. Since he does go outside I am not sure if he got rid of it yesterday later afternoon, he could have, his bum looks a little messy. I need the vet to teach me how to feel for stool inside of him.

You could be right about him still feeling not right and he's associated the LB with that discomfort. I do have some Cat Attract and it's in both LB since yesterday. Sigh.......at least he is doing it in front of me so I can clean it up and use the enzymatic cleaner right away. :rolleyes:
 
Tracey&Jones said:
I am going to assume his station was cleaned really well from the last hosing it received.

I find it odd that he is peeing right at where he eats. Animals don't tend to eliminate where they eat. Well, cows do but dogs and cats don't tend to. I wonder if that nerve damage the vet suggested for his legs is giving him some incontinence issues as well?
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Yes, I cleaned it up really well, washed the mat, washed down his dishes and the stand they sit in, the floor with enzymatic cleaner. It is odd that twice now it's been at the food station because I feel the same way as you that they don't eliminate where they eat.

His regular vet thought the hind leg thing could be toxoplasmosis but the radiologist knew it was from the trauma of passing a large hard poop. It will take time for that to heal and only if there is no more trauma. I am going to start him on B12 zobaline in his next meal. And I just have to keep his stool soft.
 
I think it is discomfort from using the litter box, or at least associated pain from before. If he has nerve damage I'm sure it hurts to get in to the box, or at least did before. Cats have a very good memory and one little thing they associate something with can throw them off. I think he's peeing where he's peeing just so that he KNOWS that you see it and he's not too happy right now. Not sure but have you tried a LB with lower sides? Or moving the litter box to a different room? Or maybe even by the door? Or tried a different litter itself? Different fragrance? Something to try to disassociate the box from past experiences.
 
Mercy and hugs and prayers to you, Bobbie :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug: This is a mystery for sure . After all the tests and U/S and BW maybe he is just still a bit churned up in his little kitty mind over it all . I know mine can take time to relax from anything they perceive as out of the daily routine . Extra prayers for whatever Forrest is wrestling with .
 
Beth 73 said:
Mercy and hugs and prayers to you, Bobbie :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug: This is a mystery for sure . After all the tests and U/S and BW maybe he is just still a bit churned up in his little kitty mind over it all . I know mine can take time to relax from anything they perceive as out of the daily routine . Extra prayers for whatever Forrest is wrestling with .
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Beth, I know your holistic vet said 1/4 tsp SEB twice a day for constipation and I have been doing that. Thinking I should step it up some but not sure how much. Any ideas? And......he made a liar out of me and didn't want to eat his meal last night or this AM with the NM in it , so I will have to mix with water and squirt like you do. I have to squirt water after his AB so that's when I'll give it.
 
Bobbie - what did the vet say about his peeing outside the box issues? Maybe time to use your AC? I also highly recommend Tanya's site. Lots of great tips on giving SQ fluids. You could also ask your vet to demonstrate - with all of your experience, you won't have any problems
 
Carol & Murphy said:
Bobbie - what did the vet say about his peeing outside the box issues? Maybe time to use your AC? I also highly recommend Tanya's site. Lots of great tips on giving SQ fluids. You could also ask your vet to demonstrate - with all of your experience, you won't have any problems
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AC? I am drawing a blank? All I can think of is Air Conditioner.
 
I'm glad Bubba is doing okay. Sorry about Forrest. I was going to suggest moving the LB to a different location. Sending prayers. :bighug::bighug:
 
I had heard the same thing about peeing on soft surfaces if something is uncomfortable. It is really odd he is peeing where he eats. o_O I would try the feeding outside thing until he goes as well. Hope Forrest feels better soon! :bighug:

Bubba and Asia are in cahoots with the drama it seems. :p
 
Bubba those numbers :D:D:D:woot::woot::woot:

Bobbie, is Forrest going at all in the LB? I also believe that he may be associating the LB with the discomfort. But to pee on his food....now that is strange! Is he still eating the same food as always? In the same place as always? What if you put his food in a different place and put the LB where his food is now? I know, it's likely in/near the kitchen and not a good spot for a LB lol.
 
Judy and Boomer said:
Bubba those numbers :D:D:D:woot::woot::woot:

Bobbie, is Forrest going at all in the LB? I also believe that he may be associating the LB with the discomfort. But to pee on his food....now that is strange! Is he still eating the same food as always? In the same place as always? What if you put his food in a different place and put the LB where his food is now? I know, it's likely in/near the kitchen and not a good spot for a LB lol.
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Forrest is eating the same food and eats well. The peeing is on the mat in front of the food and water bowl, not actually on his food but with in inches of the bowls. It is just so weird :confused: I can't switch the LB and food because it is in the kitchen.
 
Just wanted to chime in that I have used the litter with the cat attract mixed in - it's the red bag and that worked really well. I second Tanya's site - I used to be a member there for my renal kitty many years ago, they are like you guys here - the gold standard in all things CKD and that type of thing.
 
:woot::woot::woot::woot:.... these kitties!!!! Actually vet has me give SEB twice daily to keep stomach upset down due to giving oral thyroid meds . Same reason Elmo is on a maintenance dose of homeopathic remedy Nux Vomica ..to help his body rid the toxins . The SEB is helpful on the poop front as well :cat: Again, just adjust according to the day . Makes for excitement ! Between caring for our mommas and kitties we may need to run away to a tropical island for a break :eek::D:facepalm:
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Forrest is eating the same food and eats well. The peeing is on the mat in front of the food and water bowl, not actually on his food but with in inches of the bowls. It is just so weird :confused: I can't switch the LB and food because it is in the kitchen.
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Hmmm. I had a cat once that would pee on anything that was out of place (or anything new). So perhaps get rid of the mat? I would also try a brand new litter box placed in a different area...even if it's only a few feet away from the current one.
 
Love-Paula aka Woodsywife said:
Maybe a litter that's more like sand would help. Another thing maybe a different shape or type of box and put it on the stoop at the times he goes out. Puppy pads in house in case it is a mobility problem right now. Puppy litter box might work. I have both sizes for when I had my tripod. Use to get them at petco. I will try to find who has them and post link.

http://blog.allcreaturesrescue.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/dog-litter-box.jpg
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Thanks! I will get one of those!
 
Bobbie, is Forrest neutered? Just curious that if he is not, is this in some way playing into the spraying and inappropriate urination?
 
Idk what to add other than with Bo, who was very mobility challenged, a friend loaned her puppy training box (very low and wide with very low entry) and I put pee pads in the box instead of litter. He managed that box better than kitty lb’s even the low entry ones. Also I think the smooth surface of the pads was easier on his big old paws too.

Re fluids: I know you mentioned starting Forrest on the Zobaline methyl b12/folic acid supplement . Might be worthwhile to ask your vet about including periodic (weekly? Monthly?) b12 injections with fluids, too.
 
I used a boot tray for my old kitty who was having difficulty ( she was 23 ) and I just put some litter in the boot tray and a bunch of puppy pads under that incase she missed. We got by with that for 6 months until her momma cat called her home to the rainbow bridge.
 
Nicole Z said:
I used a boot tray for my old kitty who was having difficulty ( she was 23 ) and I just put some litter in the boot tray and a bunch of puppy pads under that incase she missed. We got by with that for 6 months until her momma cat called her home to the rainbow bridge.
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That's a great idea!
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Beth, I know your holistic vet said 1/4 tsp SEB twice a day for constipation and I have been doing that. Thinking I should step it up some but not sure how much. Any ideas?
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Per Tanya's site 1/4 teaspoon 2x/day is the highest recommended. I give 1/16 teaspoon 2x/day of the MMR. I can send you some MMR caps if you want to try it. Gizmo loves it. More so than the SEB.

https://www.felinecrf.org/holistic_treatments.htm#seb_dosage

The usual dosage is:
  • 1/8 to 1/4 (0.125 - 0.25) of a teaspoon of the organic or wild-crafted slippery elm bark powder once or twice a day; or

  • one 350-400mg capsule a day. You can give these whole or open them and sprinkle on the cat's food once or twice a day.
Most cats are given slippery elm bark daily, but some cats do not need it every day, so experiment and see what works best for your cat.

I open the capsules and sprinkle the slippery elm bark into my cat's food and mix it up, but slippery elm bark has a bittersweet flavour which some cats do not like. In that case, try giving it in a capsule, either the one it came in (though these may well be too big for the average cat) or, if you are using loose slippery elm bark, purchase gelcaps separately for this purpose.

Some people have found their cat will eat slippery elm bark if it is mixed in a little baby food (make sure the baby food does not contain any onion).
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I make a "mini" MMR syrup every PS meal. 1/16 teaspoon mixed with about 1 tablespoon of HOT water mixed will and then microwaved for about 10 seconds. This thickens it up and makes it slimy (I know, gross, but I think that is the property that makes it effective).
 
Yep, Bobbie , I give 1/8 t 2 x daily , 2 hours after thyroid meds ...usually right before bedtime . I buy my SEB at local health food store , sold loose in a jar so can get as much as I want and no flow agent present as found in capsules .
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Per Tanya's site 1/4 teaspoon 2x/day is the highest recommended. I give 1/16 teaspoon 2x/day of the MMR. I can send you some MMR caps if you want to try it. Gizmo loves it. More so than the SEB.

https://www.felinecrf.org/holistic_treatments.htm#seb_dosage



I make a "mini" MMR syrup every PS meal. 1/16 teaspoon mixed with about 1 tablespoon of HOT water mixed will and then microwaved for about 10 seconds. This thickens it up and makes it slimy (I know, gross, but I think that is the property that makes it effective).
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Oops , I've been giving 1/4 Tsp 2x day! For a while now. He or Bubba don't mind the taste of it in their food. I am going to start making the slurry and putting it in his food from now on.
 
Nicole Z said:
I used a boot tray for my old kitty who was having difficulty ( she was 23 ) and I just put some litter in the boot tray and a bunch of puppy pads under that incase she missed. We got by with that for 6 months until her momma cat called her home to the rainbow bridge.
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Nicole Z said:
I used a boot tray for my old kitty who was having difficulty ( she was 23 ) and I just put some litter in the boot tray and a bunch of puppy pads under that incase she missed. We got by with that for 6 months until her momma cat called her home to the rainbow bridge.
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That is a good idea!

23!!!! What good care you gave your baby!
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
As of yesterday's US he did have fecal matter inside. Since he does go outside I am not sure if he got rid of it yesterday later afternoon, he could have, his bum looks a little messy. I need the vet to teach me how to feel for stool inside of him.

You could be right about him still feeling not right and he's associated the LB with that discomfort. I do have some Cat Attract and it's in both LB since yesterday. Sigh.......at least he is doing it in front of me so I can clean it up and use the enzymatic cleaner right away. :rolleyes:
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My civie, Babie had several UTIs and even after they were gone, she peed outside the box, not often, but it happens. In my bedroom, she almost never does, just a few times when she had the UTI, I figure the living room is hard for her, because she loathes everyone out there, except for her Mom - Layla, and Mikey - Mikey's my Ghandi cat, and everyone loves him.
 
Kathy and TiTi said:
My civie, Babie had several UTIs and even after they were gone, she peed outside the box, not often, but it happens. In my bedroom, she almost never does, just a few times when she had the UTI, I figure the living room is hard for her, because she loathes everyone out there, except for her Mom - Layla, and Mikey - Mikey's my Ghandi cat, and everyone loves him.
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I wouldn't go with the denying food bit.
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Per Tanya's site 1/4 teaspoon 2x/day is the highest recommended. I give 1/16 teaspoon 2x/day of the MMR. I can send you some MMR caps if you want to try it. Gizmo loves it. More so than the SEB.
https://www.felinecrf.org/holistic_treatments.htm#seb_dosage
I make a "mini" MMR syrup every PS meal. 1/16 teaspoon mixed with about 1 tablespoon of HOT water mixed will and then microwaved for about 10 seconds. This thickens it up and makes it slimy (I know, gross, but I think that is the property that makes it effective).
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Really? Rats ! I have been sprinkling an 1/8th teaspoon on Ty's food.
*Walks away muttering.*

Hope you get to the bottom of it soon Bobbie&Bubba. (no pun intended)
 
PussCatPrince said:
Really? Rats ! I have been sprinkling an 1/8th teaspoon on Ty's food
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I think that is fine. Go to the link and read

I open the capsules and sprinkle the slippery elm bark into my cat's food and mix it up, but slippery elm bark has a bittersweet flavour which some cats do not like
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I just don't think you get the full benefits but that is just my opinion and what has worked with Gizmo.
 
I've noticed that eating triggers poop. Could you put a small litter box closer to the feeding station. Given the temporary neurological numbing, Forrest may not notice what's happening at the other end in time.

Hilarious talking to your cat. As far as talking to one's cat for real, I think it is either a very special talent, or a tight held delusion.
 
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