Brady PZ Thread 2

What I learned today:

1. Belonging to this group for this long has helped me thru a little bit of a situation today. If this would have happened in the very beginning I may have really freaked out and not have handled it the way I did.

2. Not sure I handled it the best but working from home handling calls, trying to keep an eye on Brady but at the same time not asking my wife to come home to help me out while I was doing all of this, sorta made me proud.

3. Probably should have handled the AMPS BG of 120 differently in this situation. That was the lowest I ever shot a full dose (3U) and I think I need some help on how to handle that one again. It did give me data to use and be aware how a full dose works with Brady on lower numbers.

4. HIGH CARB FOOD really makes a cats body react differently, im amazed and what that food does to a cats BG. Didn't take long for Brady to react to he HC food. I now see why it isn't good for them.

5. It felt a little scary not having anyone available to answer questions on what to do when Brady's numbers were dropping, however, it was good to have the resources from this forum to handle the situation.

6. Your meter, your strips and the ability to test is your best friend.
 
Since im going to continue at the present time with the SLGS method for a few reasons...But I really need some advice on the dosage for tonight? Gave him 3U today, should I go by the rule because he fell to 69 today, below the 90 and drop the dosage to 2.75 or stay at 3 U?

Beanie and I are going to try something this weekend, hopefully it works...Taking both cats up the camper for the weekend, one good thing is the camper is close so if we do have to come home it wont be a big issue...hope this works because Beanie and I love to camp and hopefully someday soon we can actually take the camper to a real campground.
 
Irish Pat said:
Since im going to continue at the present time with the SLGS method for a few reasons...But I really need some advice on the dosage for tonight? Gave him 3U today, should I go by the rule because he fell to 69 today, below the 90 and drop the dosage to 2.75 or stay at 3 U?

Beanie and I are going to try something this weekend, hopefully it works...Taking both cats up the camper for the weekend, one good thing is the camper is close so if we do have to come home it wont be a big issue...hope this works because Beanie and I love to camp and hopefully someday soon we can actually take the camper to a real campground.
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Good synopsis and I owe you an “after action report” but that will have to wait as I’m juggling more fire sticks right now than I have the ability to do haha.

Yes, decrease the dose back to 2.75u but he’s likely going to bounce. Also, because he’s already started heading up, you can shoot at your regular shot time tonight.

BBL. Have a good day.
 
JOJI and Kit said:
fwiw, you'll get a lot better at that too. i can be on a work call and take and record a bg all without breaking stride. many days on back-to-back calls, so it's doable w practice.
^jw
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Still a rookie at some of this, hahaha....What part of New York are you from, not familiar with the town you have listed??
 
Can I "Like" your post #2 more than once Pat?

Great summarization of things that helped you today.
1. I've never stopped learning, about feline diabetes or anything else in life.
2. You should be proud of yourself!
3. If you never shoot the blues, you won't see those greens.
(Blues = 100-199 mg/dL, greens = <99 mg/dL)
As long as you stalled, no food for Brady and retested at pre-shot time, to see a rising number, you did ok. You only stalled 45 minutes. That's very little time. Up to 1 hour with Prozinc and you can keep to your dosing schedule. Doesn't hurt to "split the difference", as JW suggested and delay the next shot by a bit, to get back to your more normal shot time.

4. So next time, you know to try Brady's regular low carb (LC) food first, then move up to MC (medium carb) and then the HC (high carb) food.

Those Purebites freeze dried treats are pure protein, so very low carb. So his eating a bowl full would not have had much influence on his BG levels, if any.
5. Yes, it is scary. But you got through it!
6. You got that right. So keep your "best friends" close and make sure you always have plenty of test strips on hand. Plus keep the hypo toolkit fully stocked, for when Brady goes low again. Then you'll have MC, HC and test strips on hand. Keeping a spare vial of test strips in the hypo toolkit is a good idea.
 
Deb & Wink said:
Can I "Like" your post #2 more than once Pat?

Great summarization of things that helped you today.
1. I've never stopped learning, about feline diabetes or anything else in life.
2. You should be proud of yourself!
3. If you never shoot the blues, you won't see those greens.
(Blues = 100-199 mg/dL, greens = <99 mg/dL)
As long as you stalled, no food for Brady and retested at pre-shot time, to see a rising number, you did ok. You only stalled 45 minutes. That's very little time. Up to 1 hour with Prozinc and you can keep to your dosing schedule. Doesn't hurt to "split the difference", as JW suggested and delay the next shot by a bit, to get back to your more normal shot time.

4. So next time, you know to try Brady's regular low carb (LC) food first, then move up to MC (medium carb) and then the HC (high carb) food.

Those Purebites freeze dried treats are pure protein, so very low carb. So his eating a bowl full would not have had much influence on his BG levels, if any.
5. Yes, it is scary. But you got through it!
6. You got that right. So keep your "best friends" close and make sure you always have plenty of test strips on hand. Plus keep the hypo toolkit fully stocked, for when Brady goes low again. Then you'll have MC, HC and test strips on hand. Keeping a spare vial of test strips in the hypo toolkit is a good idea.
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I will respond to this in the morning...it was a long day and night....thanks Deb, you liking it once makes it seem like it was liked a million times....have a great night and I will respond tomorrow...
 
Irish Pat said:
Probably should have handled the AMPS BG of 120 differently in this situation. That was the lowest I ever shot a full dose (3U) and I think I need some help on how to handle that one again. It did give me data to use and be aware how a full dose works with Brady on lower numbers.
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You did a good job and it worked out pretty good!

But, next time, and there will be one, if you get a PS that you are worried to shoot on time and you want to stall a bit to see if the BG comes up, do not feed. Feeding causes the BG to rise, as you saw, but when the food wears off, the BG can come right back down....and that’s what you saw today.

If you stall without feeding and retest in 20-30 minutes, if the BG is flat or up, then you shoot and feed. Then the BG should rise and while it might come down once the insulin onsets, you, at least did not shoot a food spike.

The goal, of course, is to eventually learn to shoot every number above 90 (Ref SLGS) on time with the full dose as long as you are able and available to test. But I’m really proud that you shot that blue number!
 
Ok this is to respond to both Marje and Deb @Deb & Wink @Marje and Gracie

So this is what I did but I think I did it wrong

How to handle a lower than normal preshot number when following SLGS:

Until you collect enough data to know how your cat will react, we suggest following the guidelines in the FDMB's FAQ Q4.4:
Q4.4. My cat's pre-shot level was way below the usual value. Should I give the injection?
A4.4. There's no hard and fast rule, but if you don't have data on how your cat responds to insulin, here are some general guidelines.
  • Below 150 mg/dl (8.3 mmol/L), don't give insulin.
  • Between 150 and 200 (8.3-11.1 mmol/L), you have three options:
    • a.) give nothing
    • b.) give a token dose (10-25% of the usual dose)
    • c.) feed as usual, test in a couple of hours, and make a decision based on that value

I did the "C" above, when I took his BG and saw it rising I thought it would be ok to shoot that 210 number at the +1 which was really 45 minutes. So Im assuming I did that part wrong because it was a food spike.....I was going to skip because he was so low at PS and it says no insulin below 150 but I wanted to try to shoot the low number. This is where things get a little confusing because maybe I should have skipped because he was so low and I could have stayed with the 3U.

So now that I have switched back to the 2.75 U im assuming I have to do that for a week again right???

When you guys talk about LC, MC and HC food, is there a chart or something out on the forum that distinguishes what percentage each one is?

Marje, when you made this statement above "if the BG is flat or up", does flat and up have the same meaning, if not can you explain that?

I know at times I repeat myself and may ask things I already did, trust I dont mean to....Im really starting to feel alot more comfortable at some of this but it is really ALOT to learn and sink in, as much as you guys are probably saying....jeeezzz he just asked that last week, it is starting to sink in with me, hahaha.....so I do apologize if I do that but at some point I will remember all of this.

We are going to take the cats to the camper this Saturday morning and hopefully be able to keep them there until Monday, my sister in law is in the boonies and has off and on service so I don't know if I will be able to be on here at all....if this works and the cats don't struggle much with it, which I am praying they do good...My wife and I love to camp and it would help us out so much with the care of Brady if he were able to be with us on some of the shorter trips we do. If this does work, I will have some questions and ideas to throw at you guys for some help on how we can manage it. Let me get past this first step though before we talk about that.

Once again I cant thank you guys enough and hearing both of you say you are proud of me really makes me feel good.....
 
So today he registered "HI" on the Relion Prime, obviously that is over 599......

When his BG gets up that high, does it cause issues, is it hurting him, is it making him sick? Does this mean his BG would be that high or higher if he wasn't on insulin?

I found out I am supposed to stay at the 2.75U, do I stay on that for another week? I really felt like the 3U was going to get me somewhere, but then again, the good lord only knows.
 
Irish Pat said:
There's no hard and fast rule, but if you don't have data on how your cat responds to insulin,
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But you do have data on how Brady responds to the insulin. About 2 months worth of data. So that part of the rule does not apply to Brady.

Pat, we all make judgement calls, every day and in many aspects of life. Some times those judgement calls are right, partially right, partially wrong, or wrong. We still need to make the calls with the best knowledge we have available.

Irish Pat said:
when I took his BG and saw it rising I thought it would be ok to shoot that 210 number at the +1 which was really 45 minutes. So Im assuming I did that part wrong because it was a food spike.
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Yup.
You only waited 45 minutes, and you had fed Brady. The "wait a couple of hours" truly means 2 hours or so, as that is how long it takes the food to clear. Think of this as being no different than withholding food for 2 hours before the pre-shot test, so you have a pre-shot BG level that is NOT influenced and made higher by the food. What is called a "food spike" raises the BG levels, and if you give insulin into a number raised by that "food spike", you are likely to have an active time managing the BG numbers, especially if you shot a lower number than you are accustomed to. As you did yesterday.

Irish Pat said:
was going to skip because he was so low at PS and it says no insulin below 150 but I wanted to try to shoot the low number.
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Token dose would have probably been your better option, instead of skipping the entire dose. Sometimes, a token dose can be as much as 50% of the normal dose. Depends on the amount of test data you have.

Irish Pat said:
So now that I have switched back to the 2.75 U im assuming I have to do that for a week again right???
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Pat, you hold the insulin syringe. Protocol says to hold the dose with SLGS for 1 week. But if you feel that you would like to increase back to the 3U dose, that is your option.

Irish Pat said:
"if the BG is flat or up", does flat and up have the same meaning, if not can you explain that?
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Flat means basically the same number, taking the 15-20% meter variance into account. Up means rising more than that meter variance amount.
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When you guys talk about LC, MC and HC food, is there a chart or something out on the forum that distinguishes what percentage each one is?
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Kind of. We use Dr. Lisa Pierson's food chart, and the carb percentages are on there. It's in the Feline Health forum. Data is from 2017, since that is the last time she updated it. It's why I said "kind of".
LC (low carb ) is <= 10%
MC (medium carb) is 11-15%
HC (high carb) is 16% and over.

Irish Pat said:
.My wife and I love to camp and it would help us out so much with the care of Brady if he were able to be with us on some of the shorter trips we do. If this does work, I will have some questions and ideas to throw at you guys for some help on how we can manage it.
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We've got a document for that. Camping/Traveling with Diabetic Kitties.

And this one. Traveling with Diabetic Kitties.
 
Brady had a good apt last evening, vet was very happy, his BG was 171 on the pet meter, she still gives me looks when I tell her im still using the human meter to check Brady but I told its a good reference point for me and we are learning so much from this group. I think she was amazed at how much I learned in this short time by the way our discussion went.

The one thing I got confused about and really didn't know how to handle was his shot dosage last evening. We only went with 1U, my wife was home alone, I had to get some things done and honestly we both didn't know what to do. Brady BG was dropping continuously at the end of the cycle, right up to the point we left for the vet. When we got home he was only at 165. So wasn't sure if it raised that much from being stressed from going to the vet and wasn't sure really how low he could have went if we didn't have a vet apt. I don't know if would have continued to drop up until the PMPS time or what that number would have been if we stayed home. Could it have dropped below that 100 number I had at +10, who knows...We played it safe, real safe for being unsure and only gave him 1U, not sure what I should have done there???

@Deb & Wink
@Marje and Gracie
 
Irish Pat said:
Brady had a good apt last evening, vet was very happy, his BG was 171 on the pet meter, she still gives me looks when I tell her im still using the human meter to check Brady but I told its a good reference point for me and we are learning so much from this group. I think she was amazed at how much I learned in this short time by the way our discussion went.
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Fantastic! That must have made you feel pretty good!!! One thing to beware of is lots of vets will want to do a fructosamine test. Don’t be tempted to agree. That’s going to give you an idea of where his BG has been the last three weeks but you have earl time data so you don’t need the fructosamine.


Irish Pat said:
We played it safe, real safe for being unsure and only gave him 1U, not sure what I should have done there???
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We always say two things:
“You hold the syringe”
“You should be able and available to test when you shoot lower numbers”

If you had asked me last night, I would have suggested you shoot the full dose because Brady bounces and quickly. He has not yet had any cycle where his blue or green numbers went from one to the other. Since someone tested, if he had been lower, you know how to bring the BG up with food. But honestly, he would have bounced even with 2.75u.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Fantastic! That must have made you feel pretty good!!! One thing to beware of is lots of vets will want to do a fructosamine test. Don’t be tempted to agree. That’s going to give you an idea of where his BG has been the last three weeks but you have earl time data so you don’t need the fructosamine.
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Yes it did feel pretty good, we were waiting in the car as patiently as we both could do...I know what he was on the human meter when we left the house, we were so worried she was going to come out and tell he was 9000000 or some ungodly high number....but instead we got good news. She does want to run a full panel next time, at this point we didn't discuss what the involves yet, I will discuss it with her at next months apt. I wouldn't mind seeing how he is doing with all his levels. I did tell her about him bouncing, well didn't use that term, just that whenever he goes low he always seems to shoot up either at the end of the cycle or beginning of the next cycle, she didn't mention that somogyi effect, she actually didn't seem to concerned about it to be honest with....just said that he dumped sugar from going so low......and seemed happy about his progress.....So hopefully we are on the right page!!!
 
Irish Pat said:
.just said that he dumped sugar from going so low
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You mean he dumps glucose after he bounces into high numbers from going lower than where he’s used to being? (His numbers aren’t not actually in the “low” category). Just want to clarify that she doesn’t think he’s dumping glucose due to going lower.

Irish Pat said:
She does want to run a full panel next time, at this point we didn't discuss what the involves yet, I will discuss it with her at next months apt. I wouldn't mind seeing how he is doing with all his levels.
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How long has it been since he had a full panel? Barring him being ill now, having symptoms of something unknown, or having had any abnormal results other than glucose or his specfPL, he likely doesn’t need a full panel but every six months.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
You mean he dumps glucose after he bounces into high numbers from going lower than where he’s used to being? (His numbers aren’t not actually in the “low” category). Just want to clarify that she doesn’t think he’s dumping glucose due to going lower.
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I guess that's what she meant....it was pretty similar to what you guys said happens when he bounces....isn't that similar to what you guys had told me one time...that he is reacting to numbers going lower?
 
Well I guess I shouldn't have to a peek at the Recent Remissions page on here.....It appears that dang near all of the kitty's (and I am very very very happy for them) went into remission after a very short time on the juice. I guess the longer Brady is on the juice the less chance he has to go into remission. :(
 
Irish Pat said:
Well I guess I shouldn't have to a peek at the Recent Remissions page on here
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Pat, those are a very limited number of people that have posted in the Recent Remissions thread.
What you are NOT seeing are all the people that ended up switching insulins.
Or people that left the message board.
Or people that never bothered to post their remission for their cat. A cat that has been on Prozinc for many months, 6-12 months or even longer.
Or people where their cat died of something other than feline diabetes.
Or people that ......................... fill in the blank yourself.

Yes, I know that remission is one goal you have Pat. But your main goal, IMHO, should be to make Brady feel better and get back to acting like his normal self and manage him so he can live with this feline diabetes as long as possible.

Many people never get their cat into remission or sometimes a cat falls back out of remission for various reasons.

ECID Every Cat is Different
We truly mean that. Treat Brady as the individual he is. Keep on loving him and making a difference in his life, instead of abandoning him at a pet shelter. Like someone did to Wink.

If you compare Brady to other cat's out there, compare him to Goose and to Kitaibelia. Not to cats where the diabetes was steroid induced in the first place. Those steroid induced diabetic cats often go into remission quickly. That is a good part of what you are seeing in that thread.

Wink achieved remission, but I think it was a total fluke. Truly I do. I certainly wasn't doing everything right. Heck, I wasn't even getting most of my help from this message board at the time. I would have been very pleased to at least get his neuropathy much better (it did) and to get him on a healthier canned food diet (did that too). If he was still with me, I would have kept on treating him until the very end. I didn't get that chance. Would do it all over again for Wink. I tell people that he's why I'm still here, paying it forward.
 
Deb & Wink said:
Pat, those are a very limited number of people that have posted in the Recent Remissions thread.
What you are NOT seeing are all the people that ended up switching insulins.
Or people that left the message board.
Or people that never bothered to post their remission for their cat. A cat that has been on Prozinc for many months, 6-12 months or even longer.
Or people where their cat died of something other than feline diabetes.
Or people that ......................... fill in the blank yourself.

Yes, I know that remission is one goal you have Pat. But your main goal, IMHO, should be to make Brady feel better and get back to acting like his normal self and manage him so he can live with this feline diabetes as long as possible.

Many people never get their cat into remission or sometimes a cat falls back out of remission for various reasons.

ECID Every Cat is Different
We truly mean that. Treat Brady as the individual he is. Keep on loving him and making a difference in his life, instead of abandoning him at a pet shelter. Like someone did to Wink.

If you compare Brady to other cat's out there, compare him to Goose and to Kitaibelia. Not to cats where the diabetes was steroid induced in the first place. Those steroid induced diabetic cats often go into remission quickly. That is a good part of what you are seeing in that thread.

Wink achieved remission, but I think it was a total fluke. Truly I do. I certainly wasn't doing everything right. Heck, I wasn't even getting most of my help from this message board at the time. I would have been very pleased to at least get his neuropathy much better (it did) and to get him on a healthier canned food diet (did that too). If he was still with me, I would have kept on treating him until the very end. I didn't get that chance. Would do it all over again for Wink. I tell people that he's why I'm still here, paying it forward.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you...….I am doing my best to get my buddy back to good health and back to himself, slow and steady...….Just like you told me the other day...can I like this post more than once??? Think its gonna be a long night....He is coming down, just fed him his 1/4 can, gonna take his BG again before I go to bed......

Can I ask a stupid question, how can they bounce when their BG comes down, but if they threaten to go hypo they don't bounce up? I thought that is what is happening that their body is recognizing the low BG and they bounce, this another confusing thing to me. If they got so low, why don't they bounce??
 
Irish Pat said:
Can I ask a stupid question, how can they bounce when their BG comes down, but if they threaten to go hypo they don't bounce up? I thought that is what is happening that their body is recognizing the low BG and they bounce, this another confusing thing to me. If they got so low, why don't they bounce??
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@Marje and Gracie

Marje do you have an answer or any thoughts on this question?
 
Deb & Wink said:
My brain starts to shut down after about 9PM, especially on the lack of sleep I've been getting lately. It's better for me to not give an answer than an incoherent one.
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Oh im sorry you aren't sleeping...Hope everything is ok, I hate when that happens, I get those nights especially when the seasons change that I sometimes don't sleep at all.....
 
Allergies are high this time of year, with all the oak and hickory and pines pumping out tons of pollen. But I LOVE to garden every chance I get. And simply sniffle and drip all day and night long.

Plus Deb is rearranging her kitchen storage, and stirring up all sorts of dust. More dust than when the plasterers were here 5 years ago.
 
Deb & Wink said:
Allergies are high this time of year, with all the oak and hickory and pines pumping out tons of pollen. But I LOVE to garden every chance I get. And simply sniffle and drip all day and night long.

Plus Deb is rearranging her kitchen storage, and stirring up all sorts of dust. More dust than when the plasterers were here 5 years ago.
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My allergies are killing me...I broke down and got Claritin D and it is helping out tremendously......
 
Been taking loratidine ( generic claritin) for decades. It's why I can breath as well as I'm doing right now.
 
Irish Pat said:
Can I ask a stupid question, how can they bounce when their BG comes down, but if they threaten to go hypo they don't bounce up? I thought that is what is happening that their body is recognizing the low BG and they bounce, this another confusing thing to me. If they got so low, why don't they bounce??
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There are no stupid questions but do you have an example that you are looking at? I don’t see that Brady has ever even been in low numbers.

Two things:
When the BG plummets, the liver senses this as unsafe and releases counterregulatory hormones to drive the BG back up to a “safe” number.

Sometimes...actually often in tightly regulated cats... the body is acclimated to lower numbers so it doesn’t necessarily cause a bounce if those numbers drop a bit lower. The cat’s body can’t tell the difference between 55 and 40 (human meter numbers used throughout here).

Keep in mind that you have to be careful how you use the word “hypo”. A hypo is generally symptomatic. Some cats will show symptoms at 40 (the majority do not). We’ve had many cats here in the 20s, including Gracie, with no symptoms. One cat, Tuffie, loved to hang out in the 30s, even off insulin with no signs of hypoglycemia.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
There are no stupid ques tions but do you have an example that you are looking at? I don’t see that Brady has ever even been in low numbers.

Two things:
When the BG plummets, the liver senses this as unsafe and releases counterregulatory hormones to drive the BG back up to a “safe” number.

Sometimes...actually often in tightly regulated cats... the body is acclimated to lower numbers so it doesn’t necessarily cause a bounce if those numbers drop a bit lower. The cat’s body can’t tell the difference between 55 and 40 (human meter numbers used throughout here).

Keep in mind that you have to be careful how you use the word “hypo”. A hypo is generally symptomatic. Some cats will show symptoms at 40 (the majority do not). We’ve had many cats here in the 20s, including Gracie, with no symptoms. One cat, Tuffie, loved to hang out in the 30s, even off insulin with no signs of hypoglycemia.
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No example as far as Brady is concerned...It was just a general question, meaning if a cat does go to low unsafe numbers why doesn't the liver react in those situations and protect the cat? But I believe you answered that above.
 
Well tomorrow is the big day, going to try to take Brady and Emma up to the camper for the weekend...Hopefully all goes well, think we are more concerned about Emma than Brady, she is stuck in her ways and hates change, so we shall see....Wish us all luck!!!
 
Irish Pat said:
No example as far as Brady is concerned...It was just a general question, meaning if a cat does go to low unsafe numbers why doesn't the liver react in those situations and protect the cat? But I believe you answered that above.
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I had been wondering the same thing. Thanks for asking.
Hope all 2 and 4 legged ones have a great time this weekend. :)
 
Susan & Claudio said:
Actually, my comment was about the question of the liver and low bg's.
And yes I was wondering about the name also.
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OMG silly me...I am tired, lol...I should have read what you were responding to, hahaha....I have to much time to think some days and that was a question that baffled me.....If a cat protects itself by dumping more sugar and causing them to bounce, why don't they do it all the time and protect our kitty's every time. Such a tough disease.....
 
Well camping didn't go to well...the one I thought would be ok with being in the camper hated it, actually scared us a little....Brady, he was panting so bad and so stressed we had to take him home, we tried to calm him, just wouldn't work....Now Emma, well she got car sick from a 25 minute ride but she liked camping for the most part. Emma liked the camper, didn't like some of the unknown noises she was hearing from people riding on 4 wheelers but she did really well, until the 25 minute ride home...Car sick again...a little panting, a lot of drooling on the way home...soon as she got in the house, perfectly fine. So....camping was ok for the humans as well but wish Brady would have liked it...not even going to try it again with him, ever.....I was way to worried about how he was acting......Emma may get another shot at in the future if we can find a way to keep her from getting car sick.
 
Feliway spray, in the carrier to help calm them down? Some other sort of calming aid to help them both "chill" a bit?

There are these calming chews that I remember someone using. Can't remember their name off the top of my head. GNC Pets, Calming Formula I think. Did a quick search for "calming aids for cats." Jackson Galaxy, host of "My Cat From Hell" may have some ideas.

Short trips around the block for Emma. To get her used to riding in the car. How is she on the trip to the vet?

I helped rescue a diabetic cat that would pee, poop and vomit in the carrier. Hour drive from the former owners place to my place. He was not a good traveler. Cat was flying to a new home in the mid-west. Trip to the airport meant bringing a separate carrier, for the cat to fly in and lots of cleaning up to do in the air cargo area. That was an adventure I hope to never repeat.
 
Poor Brady! It might be best to just leave Emma at home with him.

Looks like you skipped a few shots but he recovered. He’s mostly had nadirs over 150 so I’d increase his dose back to 3u provided you can monitor.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Poor Brady! It might be best to just leave Emma at home with him.

Looks like you skipped a few shots but he recovered. He’s mostly had nadirs over 150 so I’d increase his dose back to 3u provided you can monitor.
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No didn't skip a shot, he got them all, meter misplacement for the correct data, using my second meter....have no idea what happened to the darn thing, traveling back and forth with little sleep, lol......and yes I am going to start 3U on 5/28....I was hoping so much that Brady was going to like to camp because in my opinion it would have been better than boarding him at the vet when we go away, it just wont work
 
Deb & Wink said:
Feliway spray, in the carrier to help calm them down? Some other sort of calming aid to help them both "chill" a bit?

There are these calming chews that I remember someone using. Can't remember their name off the top of my head. GNC Pets, Calming Formula I think. Did a quick search for "calming aids for cats." Jackson Galaxy, host of "My Cat From Hell" may have some ideas.

Short trips around the block for Emma. To get her used to riding in the car. How is she on the trip to the vet?
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Thanks Deb, I was researching it as well and found some things....also going to talk to the vet...Emma does good going to the vet, its only 10 minutes away and she only has to do that once a year. We may try the short trips to get her used to the car, hopefully we can get something to work. The longer trips (3+ hours away) we take to go camping I am just going to have to get someone to watch her, which we did in the past for both of them but now that Brady has FD he will have to go to the vet to stay...No way anyone would be able to give him a shot and also the times wouldn't work for someone to be here. I know its hard to balance your life now that one of your babies has FD but we have to make something work because my little grandson sure loves us and we cant wait to take him camping....Currently our vet isn't taking animals as of yet because of the virus, so all plans are on hold anyways. They are starting to open up Pennsylvania, not sure its the right thing just yet, guess time will tell.
 
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