Judy and Boomer
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Yesterdays convo http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=120257
Still in the green! :razz:
Still in the green! :razz:
Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1 70 at +5
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Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 74 at +39
Holding Steady in the green! :mrgreen:
Holding Steady in the green! :mrgreen:
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Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 74 at +39
So..since I can see remission is not only possible with Boomer but likely and could happen reasonably soon I think......I have a question.
When do we declare remission? Is it when he stays green consistently without any insulin even though his BG may vary within the green? Is it when he drops to a certain BG (40?) and stays there without insulin? Is it when his BG remains steady even though he's eaten, indicating that the pancreas is producing enough insulin to counteract the carbs he gets in food?
So..since I can see remission is not only possible with Boomer but likely and could happen reasonably soon I think......I have a question.
When do we declare remission? Is it when he stays green consistently without any insulin even though his BG may vary within the green? Is it when he drops to a certain BG (40?) and stays there without insulin? Is it when his BG remains steady even though he's eaten, indicating that the pancreas is producing enough insulin to counteract the carbs he gets in food?
Kim & Twice
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Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 74 at +39
Wow Boomer!! You not like hanging out here buddy? ;-) :lol:
Wow Boomer!! You not like hanging out here buddy? ;-) :lol:
Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 74 at +39
We consider a cat to be in remission when they've gone through an OTJ (off the juice) trial which is 14 days without insulin and still in normal numbers (below 120 and majority of time in green).
The Lantus depot can still affect up to 6 cycles after the last shot, so that could still be helping Boomer's numbers. However, he is looking very good. :mrgreen:
We consider a cat to be in remission when they've gone through an OTJ (off the juice) trial which is 14 days without insulin and still in normal numbers (below 120 and majority of time in green).
The Lantus depot can still affect up to 6 cycles after the last shot, so that could still be helping Boomer's numbers. However, he is looking very good. :mrgreen:
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 74 at +39
81 at +44 hours
81 at +44 hours
Amy&TrixieCat
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Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 81 at +44
Nice :mrgreen: !
Nice :mrgreen: !
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 81 at +44
Boomer is being a VERY good boy this weekend! :mrgreen:
Boomer is being a VERY good boy this weekend! :mrgreen:
Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 81 at +44
Boomer has defied all "rules" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sienne was gone last week when Boomer decided to scoff at my advice and take you on an extended trip in low numbers.
While we quite often do go to the 0.1u dose Julie mentioned before they completely go off insulin, there have been some cats that just were done at 0.25u and occasionally even 0.5u. What we are going to want to see is how long the depot from the 0.25u dose keeps him in green. Normally, for a cat ready to go without insulin, we'd see a drop in numbers three hours after being fed. But it's not a one size fits all as Boomer has proven.
I think I'd let him go at this until you are at least six cycles past the 0.25u dose OR if he starts trending up into blue. If starts trending up, I'd start shooting 0.1u. If he stays in green three more cycles after this one, it will be six cycles past the 0.25u dose. We might want to think about starting a trial then but let's see how he does.
Boomer has defied all "rules" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sienne was gone last week when Boomer decided to scoff at my advice and take you on an extended trip in low numbers.
While we quite often do go to the 0.1u dose Julie mentioned before they completely go off insulin, there have been some cats that just were done at 0.25u and occasionally even 0.5u. What we are going to want to see is how long the depot from the 0.25u dose keeps him in green. Normally, for a cat ready to go without insulin, we'd see a drop in numbers three hours after being fed. But it's not a one size fits all as Boomer has proven.
I think I'd let him go at this until you are at least six cycles past the 0.25u dose OR if he starts trending up into blue. If starts trending up, I'd start shooting 0.1u. If he stays in green three more cycles after this one, it will be six cycles past the 0.25u dose. We might want to think about starting a trial then but let's see how he does.
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 81 at +44
Thanks Marje! Everytime I test Boomer now I hold my breath lol. This morning I thought for sure he would be in the blue! You can imagine how happy I was when he was 79! And yes I realize this streak could end because it could be the depot that is keeping him green although I've never noticed the depot lasting this long with him. Time will tell! Even if it doesn't happen this time, I'm confident it will happen.
So....what is different during the OTJ trial?
Thanks Marje! Everytime I test Boomer now I hold my breath lol. This morning I thought for sure he would be in the blue! You can imagine how happy I was when he was 79! And yes I realize this streak could end because it could be the depot that is keeping him green although I've never noticed the depot lasting this long with him. Time will tell! Even if it doesn't happen this time, I'm confident it will happen.
So....what is different during the OTJ trial?
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 BG 79 holding steady at 81 at +44
Ok he's up to 112 I guess I shoot .1?
Ok he's up to 112 I guess I shoot .1?
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1
SHOOT (pun intended).
Up to 112 PM so shot .1
SHOOT (pun intended).
Up to 112 PM so shot .1
Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1
Good Job!!! Because it is Boomer, I'd start with a +1.
Good Job!!! Because it is Boomer, I'd start with a +1.
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1
yes thanks for the reminder Marje.
Up to 119 at +1
.1u of insulin is really hard to measure!
yes thanks for the reminder Marje.
Up to 119 at +1
.1u of insulin is really hard to measure!
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1 94 at +2
Well that didn't take long and he's back in the green at +2 94
Well that didn't take long and he's back in the green at +2 94
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1 63 at +3
63 at +3.....I'm thinking this is going to be another of those nights. Hope he flattens out really soon.....
63 at +3.....I'm thinking this is going to be another of those nights. Hope he flattens out really soon.....
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1 63 at +3
Is Boomer dropping too fast? He's due to eat in about 45 minutes. I think I'll test again at 3.5 and perhaps feed him if he's dropped much further. Any suggestions????
Is Boomer dropping too fast? He's due to eat in about 45 minutes. I think I'll test again at 3.5 and perhaps feed him if he's dropped much further. Any suggestions????
Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1 63 at +3
I don't think he's dropping too fast. But I would definitely feed him.
Usually when they first drop down into green, it's a good idea to give them a couple tsp of LC food. So if you haven't fed yet (it's not +3.5), I'd feed now. And then I'd grab another test about 30 mins after you fed.
Boomer Boomer.
I don't think he's dropping too fast. But I would definitely feed him.
Usually when they first drop down into green, it's a good idea to give them a couple tsp of LC food. So if you haven't fed yet (it's not +3.5), I'd feed now. And then I'd grab another test about 30 mins after you fed.
Boomer Boomer.
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 47 at +4
He's down to 47 now and I have fed him his normal meal.
He's down to 47 now and I have fed him his normal meal.
Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1 63 at +3
I'd probably give him something a little higher in carbs and retest in 30.
I'd probably give him something a little higher in carbs and retest in 30.
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1 63 at +3
Well he had already eaten most of his meal but I gave him a tblsp HC FF and persuaded him to eat it.
Well he had already eaten most of his meal but I gave him a tblsp HC FF and persuaded him to eat it.
Judy and Boomer
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Re: Boomer 06/15 PMPS 112 shooting .1 61 at +4.5
61 at 4.5
61 at 4.5
Judy and Boomer
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70 at +5
Good. Very good. You are a pro!
Unless he hasn't had all his food, I'd see if he keeps coming up on his own. If he hasn't had it all, I'd switch to LC if you haven't already.
Unless he hasn't had all his food, I'd see if he keeps coming up on his own. If he hasn't had it all, I'd switch to LC if you haven't already.
Judy and Boomer
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He has a wee bit of food left, a mixture of the two so MC. Maybe a teaspoon. I think I'll leave it out for him. His next meal is +3 from now.
I wouldn't shoot tomorrow morning unless he is mid to high blue. I doubt he will be.
Judy and Boomer
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Boomer is 76 at +6.5
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