Boo the outside cat and his low numbers???

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aghboo

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So I spoke with my vet who adviced no insulin unless blood sugar 175-Today-his blood sugar are 176 so he got Pro Zinc insulin 5 units. 2 hours after insulin his blood sugar was 25 then 5 hours later it was 39. What does anyone make of this????
Am so new to this that I am just not sure but I do know that the insulin may be too much. His blood sugar now is: 59.
He seems to be acting ok throughout all of this. I did post a spread sheet. Not much data as have just recently started testing. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Alena
 
Wow, I'm certainly no expert, but I know it scares me to give my cat ONE unit when he's lower than 200, five seems outrageously high to me, and his super low number that early in the cycle seems to agree. It looks to me like the dry food is the only thing keeping your cat alive with that dose :(

I'm sure the smart folks here will be along soon to give you a real answer tho, hang in there.
 
I'm not at all experienced with Pro Zinc, but the first thing that screams at me is you're lucky Boo didn't have a full hypo at that 25. You need to reduce the insulin for sure!!

Keep testing throughout the day...if you have some high carb wet (like Fancy Feast gravy lovers), you might want to go ahead and give him a teaspoon or two of the gravy to bring that 39 up. Retest every 30 minutes until he's at least in the 70's and then retest every hour to make sure he doesn't drop back down.

Your vet is incorrect in telling you he doesn't need insulin unless he's over 175 but this is something we hear a lot. Most people don't test at home, so vets don't consider that in their dosage advice and generally just throw out 150-200 as "controlled"..it's not. Normal readings for a diabetic cat should be 50-130

I think at PM, if he's over 200, maybe give 1 unit and hold that same dose for at least 3-5 days so you can really see how he does. With him continuing to get dry food, it's going to make it a little more difficult, but we'll do what we can to help you. If he's less than that, don't feed and ask for help

5 units is obviously too much, and since I do know you've recently been feeding the lower carb foods (plus the dry he's getting), just the fact he's not eating ALL dry would have brought his numbers down

Hopefully someone with more experienced eyes will be able to chime in soon. That 25 is a very scary number!!
 
Are you using the U -40 syringes? Just double checking to make sure it was 5 units in the U 40 and not in the U 100 syringe. For now, I would not shoot at all unless he is over 200 and then reduce that dose down and start over at max of 1 unit. For tonight, test and see where he is......may not need insulin tonight.......still too low to shoot but please don't give those amounts again until you are better able to understand it all. Hard to believe that vet put him on 5 units!
 
Just checked Boo's glucose again and it is now 87. Still seems to be acting ok. Will check with the vet as to further recommendations for his readings today. Thanks for all the information and recommendations. Keep them coming as I need all the help I can get.
Alena
 
With those numbers the last few days I am not sure why you are shooting at all.. Those numbers were mainly within range of a normal cat 50-130. Almost in remission range.

Here's my thoughts.. Stop the dry as its keeping him a little high and increase the FF classic.. and keep testing the next few days and don't give insulin. I am not sure he needs it. Now he will be high maybe the next day or so as a direct reaction "bounce" for being too low today but that will pass.

Wendy
 
Boo did start out when diagnosed with a blood sugar over 500 and 1 week later over 600. We have worked our way up to 7 units twice a day and now back down to 5 units twice a day. He has been low (40s-100s)at the vet's office several times which is why we are backing down. I may have caused some of this by starting to add in wet low carb food. Will continue to check his sugars tonight and contact the vet tommorow
 
Just looked at SS and totally agree with Wendy. He's almost non-diabetic now and taking away all dry should keep him in good low numbers WITHOUT insulin. In all honesty, I think him having access to the dry before kept him from totally crashing on you and possibly dying when you would give him the insulin.
 
Wendy,
Thanks for the information. I will continue to test today. I will take away the dry food and increase the wet food and watch for the blood sugar to be high as a reaction bounce but will just hold off the insulin.
Alena
 
Sounds good. Once the bounce passes you may find he is in remission! Paws crossed! We need 14days of 40-130 for it to be official. Keep us updated.

Wendy
 
Wendy,
Thank you and everyone on the board for such great support. I will continue to monitor his blood sugars and let everyone know what is going on.
Alena
 
When I take away all of Boo's dry food-is one can of FF wet food enough twice a day or can I put out a can and have available it he needs it??? I also have another cat that is not diabetic that may get into the wet food that might be available if needed. Your advise would be greatly appreciated.
Alena
 
How much does Boo weigh? I give my 10 pound sugarkitty Wink 2 cans of Fancy Feast a day, sometimes add an extra ounce or two if he's hungry and give him a few pure protein treats too.
 
Here are some glucose reference ranges used for decision making using glucometers. Human glucometer numbers are given first (mg/dL). Numbers in parentheses are for non-US meters (mmol/L). Numbers in curly braces are estimates for an AlphaTrak.

< 40 mg/dL (2.2 mmol/L) {< 70 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- Treat as if HYPO if on insulin
- At nadir (lowest point between shots) in a long term diabetic (more than a year), may earn a reduction.

< 50 mg/dL (2.8 mmol/L) {< 80 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- If before nadir, steer with food, ie, give modest amounts of medium carb food to keep from going below 50 (2.8).
- At nadir, often indicates dose reduction is earned.

50 - 130 mg/dL (2.8 - 7.2 mmol/L) {80 - 160 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- On insulin - great control when following a tight regulation protocol.
- Off insulin - normal numbers.
(May even go as low as the upper 30s (1.7 mmol/L){60s for an AlphaTrak}; if not on insulin, this can be safe.

> 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {> 180 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- At nadir, indicates a dose increase may be needed when following a tight regulation protocol.

200 mg/dL (11.1 mmol/L) {230 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- no shot level for beginners; may slowly reduce to 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {180 mg/dL} for long-acting insulins (Lantus, Levemir, and ProZinc) as data collection shows it is safe

180 - 280 mg/dL (10 - 15.6 mmol/L) {may be 210 - 310 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- Any time - The renal threshold (depending on data source and cat's renal function) where glucose spills into the urine.
- Test for ketones, glucose is too high.

>= 280 mg/dL (15.6 mmol/L) {may be >=310 mf/dL for an AlphaTrak}, if for most of the cycle between shots
- Uncontrolled diabetes and thus at risk for diabetic ketoacidosis and hepatic lipidosis
- Follow your insulin protocol for dose adjustments
- Test for ketones; if more than a trace level of ketones, go to vet ASAP.
 
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