Blue Buffalo nutritional info. - UPDATE MOISTURE CONTENT

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lenistar

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Hi everyone,

Since I wasn’t sure if the Blue Buffalo information currently in the food charts is current or not, I wrote to them to ask for the nutritional analysis of their canned cat foods. They responded, saying that:

“Unfortunately proprietary reasons prohibit us from sharing the full nutrient analysis for our products. I have, however, attached the information for the carbohydrate and phosphorus content for our canned cat recipes. The amounts listed are as-fed percentages.”

I’m attaching these documents (I didn’t compare the info. on these documents with the info. already in the charts). Am I correct in my understanding of the meaning of “As-fed” that these percentages will need to be calculated with moisture content to determine the "true" values?

I responded to the company, not only expressing my dissatisfaction that a complete nutritional analysis was not being provided, but also asking for the moisture content. They responded:

“The information I previously provided are all as-fed percentages as we do not calculate on a dry matter basis. All of our canned recipes contain 78-80% moisture depending on the recipe.”

Anyway, I wrote back asking if it would be possible to have the moisture content for each variety, and they responded:

“We do not calculate on a dry matter basis, we only have the as-fed percentages available. The nutrient information that I previously provided you is the most accurate information for our products. While I realize that you are feeding a diabetic cat, please note that all of our products are maintenance diets. They are not therapeutic or prescription and, as such, are not labeled or formulated to meet the nutritional needs of pets with medical conditions. Since you stated that you need specific nutrient information, much of which we are not able to provide, I highly recommend speaking with your vet as he or she may recommend a diet that is formulated for diabetic pets and would better meet your pet's needs.”

It’s frustrating not to know the exact moisture content of each variety. And frustrating when companies aren't working with us as we try to provide the best nutrition for our kitties. As I understand it, sometimes the prescription diets that say they're suitable for diabetic cats aren't actually suitable for diabetic cats.

I also want to point out that not all of the names of the varieties match up on each list. For example, on the carbohydrate list, there’s a listing for “Wilderness Duck”. On the phosphorous list, there’s a listing for “Wilderness 95% Duck”. I’m not sure if these two varieties are actually the same or not. Perhaps someone here does?

Also, for some reason, there are more varieties listed on the phosphorous list than on the the carbohydrate list.

Is there someone I should send these documents to so that the information could be entered into a chart?

Sorry for the long entry! I’ve been quite prone to anxiety lately, and when that happens, I tend to get long-winded.

Thanks!
Elena
 

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Re: Blue Buffalo nutritional info.

Thanks Elena! I am sure it is winging it's way to Suze right now for entry into Hobo's list.

And they do love to give us the run-around.

:-D
 
Re: Blue Buffalo nutritional info.

Hi!

Do you have Suze's email (or username) so I can send her the info.?

Thanks!
Elena
 
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So this is the "as-fed" value for carbs?? I hope so! I am trying to get Kate some food tomorrow and I was looking at this as a potential brand. All of the info on charts are so confusing and trying to figure it out yourself is... I don't even have a word for it. Let's just say I had to break out my MBA degree to figure half the stuff!
 
Re: Blue Buffalo nutritional info.

Hi!

Yes, these are "As fed" percentages. That means, as I understand it, that a calculation will need to be done taking into account the moisture content of the food to get the "true" carbohydrate or phosphorous content. Perhaps someone here can confirm this is true? Do you know the formula for this calculation?

All the best,
Elena
 
Hi everyone,

An update about moisture content: although the company said in their email that, depending upon the particular recipe, their food contains 78-80% moisture, I just checked their website http://bluebuffalo.com/canned-cat-food, and some varieties are listed as having 81% moisture (max). These appear to be the Blue Bistro Chicken Florentine, Blue Bistro Beef Bourguignon, Blue Bistro Herb Roasted Turkey and the Blue Wilderness Wild Delights Chicken and Salmon, Blue Wilderness Wild Delights Chicken and Trout and Blue Wilderness Wild Delights Chicken and Turkey. I'm a stickler for details, so I just wanted to point this out.

I don't see the Wild Delights on the carbohydrate list, but given that they're in "Tasty Gravy" I'm assuming the carbohydrate content is too high for a diabetic cat.

I'm not sure if the varieties listed as Bistro Beef, Bistro Chicken and Bistro Turkey correspond to the Blue Bistro Beef Bourguignon, Blue Bistro Chicken Florentine and Blue Bistro Herb Roasted Turkey, but I'm guessing that's the case.

Also, Carsoncassidy (sorry, I'm just calling you by your username!), I wanted to follow up on my above response regarding your question. The person from Blue Buffalo who emailed me wrote “Unfortunately proprietary reasons prohibit us from sharing the full nutrient analysis for our products. I have, however, attached the information for the carbohydrate and phosphorus content for our canned cat recipes. The amounts listed are as-fed percentages.” So assuming she can be trusted, they are As Fed percentages. But again, if I understand the meaning of "As Fed" correctly, a calculation will need to be done taking into account the moisture content of the food to get the "true" carbohydrate or phosphorous content. Can someone here can confirm this is true? If you need help with the calculations, please just let us know!

And you probably already know this, but be sure to do the calculations for the individual recipes to determine if it's suitable for a diabetic cat (don't just assume that everything from a particular brand will be suitable). Sorry if I'm stating something you already knew!

And sorry again everyone for being long-winded! Like I said, I'm rather anxiety prone as of late and being long-winded seems to be how it's manifesting itself, so thanks for bearing with me!

All the best!
Elena
 
Elena, this thread is now bookmarked so that I can come back to it when I have time to update Hobo's Guide again.

Thank you so very much for doing this and sharing the information! (((HUGS)))

Suze
 
Here's the food FAQ page from Binky's that tells how the charts are calculated from as fed values: http://binkyspage.tripod.com/foodfaq.html

Binky's charts, and the other food charts like Hobo's, already have the calculations done out. All one has to do is look at the column of interest (like carbs) and choose a food that meets a specific criteria (like under 10%).
 
Hi Squeem3,

But where it says "As fed" in a chart, that needs to be calculated taking into account moisture content to determine the true (dry matter analysis) value, right? For example, in Hobo's chart, for EVO (Natura) 95% Chicken and Turkey, under "% Phosphorous As fed" it says 0.23. But this doesn't mean the food has 0.23% phosphorous, correct? Because a conversion first needs to be done taking into account the moisture content of 73.99%? So then you'd calculate 0.23 / .2601 (since the dry portion is 26.01%) = approx 0.88% phosphorous content.

Did I do that right?

Thanks!
Elena
 
The formulas to calculate the %Kcals from as-feds were already in the SS for Hobo's guide when I took it over.

This is how the %KCal for phosphorous was calculated in the spreadsheet for the EVO 95% Chicken and Turkey you referenced:
= (J46 / (E46 * 3.5 + F46 * 8.5 + G46 * 3.5)) * 100000

The %Kcal for Phosporus comes out to: 155 "Phosphorus per 100 KCal (mg)".

I have absolutely NO clue that what means, but hope this helps.

Suze
 
Hi Suze,

Thanks for your reply.

Am I correct about the meaning of "As fed" - that you need to do a calculation taking into account moisture content to get the "final" nutrient content ( of phosphorous, for example, where it says "% phosphorous as fed" in the chart? And is how I calculated that correct? In other words, where it says "% Phosphorous As fed" is 0.23, that doesn't mean that the "final" phosphorous amount is 0.23%, right? But rather it's higher (0.88%)?

Thanks again!

All the best,
Elena
 
lenistar said:
But where it says "As fed" in a chart, that needs to be calculated taking into account moisture content to determine the true (dry matter analysis) value, right? For example, in Hobo's chart, for EVO (Natura) 95% Chicken and Turkey, under "% Phosphorous As fed" it says 0.23. But this doesn't mean the food has 0.23% phosphorous, correct? Because a conversion first needs to be done taking into account the moisture content of 73.99%? So then you'd calculate 0.23 / .2601 (since the dry portion is 26.01%) = approx 0.88% phosphorous content.

Did I do that right?

Yep - that is correct.

There are 3 ways to look at food:

1) as fed (includes the water)

2) DMB

3) ME = metabolizable energy...ie...calorie basis as in....151 mg phos/100 kcals of food

#3 is best...then #2....then #1

This is all explained on my Commercial Canned Food page.
 
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