Blue 530 AMPS 10/31

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Patty and Blue said:
https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/blue-amps-487-10-30.237771/

Blue is in the sky at 530 AMPS

I ended up at the ER with Layla. They kept her overnight and want to keep her today.
I got home at 3:30 this morning. Of course it was our first cool night in the 40s and
I had to sit out in the parking lot. Good Times!

Will update Blue in +2

Hope everyfur and their person is well.
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Oh Patty! I'm so sorry Layla is poorly. Poor kitty kitty.:( Sending prayers all will be ok and she comes home soon :bighug:

And BLUE you come back down out of that attic! Undoubtedly looking for a scary Halloween costume.:rolleyes:
Your numbers are scary enough Blue!

(((Patty)))
 
Layla has chronic constipation and was diagnosed just recently when I took her to our vet. She was stopped up very badly and had a few enemas to help her. They put her on a couple of things to help but I guess it didn't work. I've spoken to a couple of vets so far today. They are still trying to hydrate her and they've got some stool out but want her to go on her own later today. She was also vomiting. The last vet I spoke with is writing up a plan for her and looks like Miralax will be part of the plan. Who knew? I'm hoping to pick her up today but we'll see.

Blue is still hollering. I tried to go to sleep when I got home but he had a toy mouse and thought he had made a kill. Siamese!

Busy day here. I'll update after +2. Miss Mogs, I'm so happy to hear your furbaby is doing so well. I know you are glad it wasn't pancreatitis. It sounds like her blood work was good. I know you will figure out how to help her.

Thanks everyone for your concern. :bighug:
 
Poor Layla. :bighug: Constipation can indeed cause vomiting too. :(

Just in case you've not already come across it, there is a wealth of good information here:

felineconstipation.org

Miralax is one of the things the site author recommends. I hope Layla will feel much better for the vets' efforts and that she'll be home with you very soon.

Noodle is indeed eating better but her blood pressure - when I can manage to get a reading from Miss Blissy 2020 - has risen since stopping the antibiotic. If it's not one thing, it's another. :(


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As a matter of fact I have been reading the site you referenced above Mogs. I was hesitant to give her Miralax without it being prescribed by a vet. I don't want to do anything to hurt her. I think I'll plant some grass again. I just hate the fruit flies and always seem to get them when I plant the grass. I might plant catnip too. With the food change I think they aren't getting enough fiber. On the constipation site it suggests adding baby food vegetables but they have carbs. :arghh:

Blue is 550 +2 so has gone up. Poor baby Blue.

I need to shower and hopefully fit in a nap.
 
tiffmaxee said:
I wonder if she has mega colon? I had to give Max Miralax and pumpkin regularly due to his meds but fortunately he never was blocked up. I know the owner of felineconstipation.org for many years now. I remember when she wrote that site.
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I wondered about mega colon and even asked my vet when she was diagnosed. They said no, but I'm not convinced. Her poo is so big around and has never been like that. I have used pumpkin in the food at times. I'll have to figure out how to keep Blue from eating leftovers. He does enjoy them!
 
I don't know whether or not this idea might help Layla, but to keep Lúnasa properly hydrated I give her heavily watered down liquid from a sachet of Sheba cat soup. Essentially the soup liquid flavours the water and she drinks it readily. Without it she'd be in need of sub-q fluids.

Method/Proportions

- Add six tsps water to 40g sachet of cat soup and mix through thoroughly (easier to divide the liquid into several servings if it's a bit watered down first).

- Add 15ml (3 tsps) of the watered down soup to c.30-35ml (6-7 tsps) water (roughly 1:3 diluted soup:water)


I give the Noodle 3 servings of what is essentially flavoured water per day. It gives a daily minimum fluid intake of 135-150ml. Lúnasa is on a dry diet so needs at least this much per day, Layla wouldn't need that much because eats wet food. If Lúnasa's schedule of meds means she needs more than three servings in a day I simply give a greater number of smaller servings but with the same overall daily total.

Maybe something similar might be worth a try to see whether it would help keep Layla better hydrated? It's too high in carbs for diabetics. If Layla would take it, perhaps you could pop Layla into a room by herself while she drinks it? It typically takes Lúnasa only a few minutes to finish off each serving.


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The carbs in pumpkin aren’t too high. I think if he doesn’t come back down tonight I would go back up tomorrow morning as long as you don’t have plans tomorrow or Monday. He’s staying in black longer. What do you think @Critter Mom
 
tiffmaxee said:
I think if he doesn’t come back down tonight I would go back up tomorrow morning as long as you don’t have plans tomorrow or Monday. He’s staying in black longer. What do you think @Critter Mom
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I think he needs more than 0.25IU. He just needs something to counter the speedy drops that sneak him below the 50 mark. Talking of which, I'm going to repost my suggestions about feeding technique on this thread. I'd be grateful if you could review them and let me know what you think, Elise, and perhaps add some additional suggestions and/or refinements.

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Suggestions for feeding/steering Blue:

- Feed a little bit more LC at PS mealtimes.

- When preshot is low 300s or less, start testing at +1 - especially for blue PS BGs. Same goes if PS BG is still high but there's a possibility that bounce might be clearing.

- If there's significant movement at +1 feed several tsps of HC. If the drop at +1 was big [ETA: or if numbers are already quite low add a drop of honey to the HC]. Check again at +1.5 and feed more HC if there's been a further significant drop at this time. [ETA: Add a little honey if numbers require it.]

- If numbers have dipped further by +2, feed more HC. [ETA: if numbers are already low, add a little honey to the HC.]

- If rate of drop starts to slow down try switching to MC.

- Feed mid-cycle regular LC meal a bit earlier (say +4.5 or +5 latest).

- Unless numbers dictate otherwise, try to only feed LC after +4.

- Whenever numbers dictate, add honey to keep numbers in safe range (especially in the very early part of the cycle).

(Originally posted here, minus the above additions.)

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I will look this over when I get home later today.
With Max I fed him based upon each test starting with +2 and tested hourly until I felt he was done. I also am thinking it might help Blue to try increasing by 1/8 instead of 1/4. That requires using digital calipers.
 
Just when I thought his BG wasn't going to go down, it went down 264 +6 :facepalm:

A digital caliper? I will Google because I'm not sure what that is.

I agree with the feed/test schedule. It was my fault he went so low the other day. I should have tested sooner.

Speaking of soups for hydration, I have those PureBites treat mixers that are wild caught tuna and salmon in water. They have a lot of liquid so maybe that would be good for Layla bug. Blue loves them but I haven't tried them with any other cat.
 
Patty and Blue said:
https://www.amazon.com/iKKEGOL-Precision-Electronic-Stainless-Micrometer/dp/B00X6UKXIA/ref=sr_1_33_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=4" digital caliper for syringe&qid=1604174054&s=hi&sr=1-33-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFYQUZKN1dRNlpEMlkmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA1MjQwOTgyUFIxSTBDVDdTNlUzJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4MTYwMzUxSVRLTlVLTjI0S0dBJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYnRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

I found this on Amazon. I found someone that ordered one but it was from another supplier. I have Prime with free shipping on Amazon.
Does this look okay?
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They look similar. Do you have a Harbor Freight near you? At the tim I didn’t and had them delivered. If you put in your email they will send you a 20% off coupon. Tge ones you found look similar.
 
HI guys,
Thank you all for the information. I was able to pick up Buglette and just got home. She was too nervous to use the litter box there so they thought it'd be best if I picked her up. I don't know how to tell if she is pooing before morning. I will have to call and take her back if not.

I'm so exhausted. I need to now test feed and shoot, so I'll be back.
 
Hi Patty,

Here's a link to a post by Deb (of Wink fame). It's got a really good explanation of when to monitor more closely, how to spot clues which can give advance warning of a more active cycle ahead, and also discusses management of fast/steep drops and their relationship to bouncing.

https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB...w-much-insulin-do-i-give.237308/#post-2670848

It nicely fleshes out the reasoning behind the feeding suggestions posted earlier, and gives a good summary of what you're trying to achieve for Blue. Although Deb's post references Prozinc, the general principles also hold true for bouncy kitties on Lantus.


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Thanks for all the links and information. I'll probably have to read/study all this tomorrow. I can't think straight.
I will try to stay up to test Blue again +2-3 and see if he's down more....I kind of hope not. I need some rest. If I think
I'm falling asleep I'll set my alarm.

:bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
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