Baxter @ 156 not shooting?

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Jenn & Baxter

Jenn & Baxter

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Baxter is at 156 this morning his lowest ever PS. He also, is not eating much of his food. Not eating as much has been a little issue the last couple of days. I even broke out the Salmon because I knew he would eat that. This morning a majority of it is still in his dish. He acts normal not sick. It is a little cooler in Houston then normal. He just wants to lay on his heated bed (who wouldn't when its cold outside, but he isn't outside.) If I take his bowl over to him he will eat. I don't want to start a habit of holding his dish while he eats.

I know I have been told in the past not to shoot in the 150's & to expect his PMPS to be higher.
I guess here is the test. Do I have the right answer?
Not to shoot, test through out the day, expect high PMPS.

Any feedback is welcomed.
Baxter SS is current.
 
I agree with not shooting at 156, particularly if he is not eating. Sometimes a reduction in food can bring down numbers.

If you skip all day, your pmps could be higher. Can you test today? If so, you have the option of testing around 2 hours after food and seeing if the number has come up. If over 200, you could shoot a reduced dose. It would probably throw your schedule off, though.

About the eating. Have you considered FortiFlora? It has the animal disgust that makes dry food so irresistible.
 
I can test him all day today.
If his # rise then is it okay to wait until his normal shoot time to give the insulin? Or to catch it while his is in the need zone & never mind about the time schedule?

I have read about FortiFlora on the board, but not real sure about it. Is it purchased online only? I am wondering if he isn't constipated (sp) & that is why he isn't eating as much. I have him on 2%carb plus adding about 2tbsp of warm water to his canned food.
 
You can just skip the shot and start again tonight. You can shoot once he gets over 200. (be sure food is not in the equation). With the other issues he seems to have, you could just do a token dose and then see how he looks tonight at pmps. Either option is fine.

The unknown here, Jenn, is whether the lower amps is because he is feeling crummy and hasn't been eating much or if he is responding to the insulin.

Some people can get FortiFlora from their vet; some have gotten it from the vets at Petsmart. It is a probiotic but is also used as a flavor enhancer. You can also buy it online.
 
if you're home all day to watch I would give him a small dose if you catch him going up (and it's not food related) that way you are home to monitor him as well!

I am currently waiting on fortiflora, I bought it for a good price on eBay..... it's for my civvie who is being a pain about switching to wet.
 
Here is what Dr. Lisa says about FortiFlora:

Try a product called FortiFlora. Most cats LOVE FortiFlora and this has recently become my favorite trick. This is a probiotic made by Purina but you are not going to use it for its probiotic properties. You are just going to use it as a flavor enhancer. The base ingredient in FortiFlora is animal digest - the very substance that makes dry food so very enticing to cats. The directions say to use 1 package/day - and you can use this much if you want to - but this amount is not usually necessary. You may only need ~1/4 of a package - or less - with part mixed into the food and part sprinkled on top of the food just as you would use salt and pepper on your own food.
 
I am going to be home all day.
He has been eating wet for a long time. Its going on 1 month. I didn't have him on cmpletely dry before DX. I always mixed wet w/dry. When he was DX I switched to completely wet & didn't have a problem. Sunday I switched flavors to turkey. I was started to think he didn't like turkey. So the last couple of days I gave him Salmon because thats his favorite & I wanted him to eat I didn't care what flavor. He ate maybe half of a normal feeding this morning. He hasn't ever gave me a problem about food. I always fed him Blue Buffalo Salmon.

I am going to test him now. Its been almost 2 hours since his breakfast & since I last tested him. I picked up his bowl so I know he hasn't had food.

Thank you so much for all of your help both of you!!!
 
Hey Jenn,

I was waiting for your number but have to leave for the day.

If he is acting off but is over 200, I think I would do .25 My only concern is that if his tummy is upset and he vomits or is just feeling crummy.

If he is acting pretty normal and is over 200, you have shot .50 into a 200 and he has gotten some nice nadirs.

Either way, I am glad you are home to monitor.
 
yeppers!! his pancreas is starting to work for sure.

Going down after eating is awesome!!!!!! That's the first step.....

Congrats :)

Check him again in a few hours. My guess is he'll maintain for a bit, then probably creep up. Try to catch him when he is creeping up if you can and shoot low.

Worked just like that for Cello.
 
I will check in a couple more hours. No Chritmas running around today.
So no matter what time it is shot him if he gets close to 200? I know to make sure he has had some food. He never really wants to eat during the day. He is like a little kid he is nap from 12-4:30. Then begging for food about 5pm.
Its so hard not to get excited. I know its many more hours & days a head before I can get excited. Over the last 3 1/2 weeks I learned from the FD game you never know what the next test, the next hour or the next day will bring.
But, its 1 shot I didn't have to give this morning. I will just be happy in that moment.
Thank you so much for your help.
 
I would say he is totally off schedule now (yay fun!) so just shoot as needed, kinda like tight regulation, except at the lowest doses you can. Help his pancreas out but let it do it's job :)
 
Ok plan. I hope he can ride this on out til this evening. I know that might maybe asking for alot.

COME ON PANCREAS DO YOUR THING!!! DON'T MAKE ME GET MY INSULIN & NEEDLE OUT! :evil:
 
What a day....
@ 4:30 Baxter was @ 255. I decided not to shoot & give him so food to see if it would bring him down on his own. I hope I made the right decision. I know you said to give him insulin if he got into the 200's. When I discovered it he was only a few hours away from a time I could get him on schedule if need be.

@ 7:30 Baxter was @ 225. He is coming down on his own, but still in the 200's. I gave him his dinner he ate pretty well. Just a little left in his bowl which he will come back for in the next 30 minutes.

So now what do I wait 2 hours & test? Then if still high shot?
Is it possible he will come back down into the 100's on his own just from after eating? Or thats not really possible at this point in the game?
 
I would wait till your normal preshot time and test. That will get you back on schedule? If he is above but around 200, maybe .25 IF you can monitor tonight. If he is in the 300 range, maybe .50 with some tests too.

Food didn't bring him down a whole lot (in the 20% variance) but he didn't go up, which should indicate the pancreas is working at least a little.

Little scary to try to figure what he will do, when his pancreas is probably working. At this point, we give it our best guess and ask you to monitor. The good news is that he is responding very well.
 
Good evening Sue,
He ate about 1 hr ago. So we arent far off from his normal time to give insulin. I will go ahead & give him insulin. I can run some test tonight.
This whole thing is scary & unprediciable. Geezzz!!!
 
Now he is at 186.
Before food 225.
1 hour after eating.
No insulin yet.
Seriously? Ok now I don't get this.
So I guess I will wait for another hour & test again. Or should I go ahead with .25 insulin?

His SS is updated.
 
One of those gut calls. You could give him a drop and plan to wake up and test sometime tonight and leave out food. Or leave out food overnight and see if he can bring himself down again and figure he might be higher tomorrow.

Tomorrow you need to decide your thresholds. 150-180 ? Units. Over 180 ? Units.

Scary but fantastic! His pancreas is definitely putting in an experience.
 
I just tested him again & he is at 166. I was going to give him insulin, but I thought it was a little low to give it to him. He is defintely going down on his own. Plus, he is always lower at night (in the greens recently).
The last couple of days I have been so sick. I can't even talk because I don't have a voice. So that is another reason I didn't give him insulin. Im' scared I won't wake up in the middle of the night to test him to see if he does drop really low or if he goes hypo. I plan on testing him again at 12am.
Tomorrow is a new day with new #'s. I know I have figure the thresholds. I'm sure when I speak with his vet tomorrow he might say something for me not giving him insulin.
Thank you so much for your help today.
 
I will keep everything crossed for you both
wonderful news about the nunbers coming down with food! :mrgreen:
 
you might need a tiny microdose (as little as possible, like 0,25U) to get him down into non-diabetic numbers. This worked with Cello, but you can wait it out and see :)
 
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