Baco 401 pmps +5 153 what to do?

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Ruby&Baco

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Hi,

If you don't know the story behind this question, please see my other thread.

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/amps-221-dosing-advice-asap.158057/

Baco is at +4 now, she came from pmps 401
+1 387
+2 347
+3 326
+4 245

She made just now a drop of 81 point. She's not low, but i'm wondering how this is happening, coming from 401?
I was planning to go to sleep now, but should I stick around for +5? To see if she doesn't make such a big drop again?
 
From what I can see Baco has her nadir around +5 so she should be getting to the lowest part of her cycle. Have you given her any food since shot time?
 
Yeah well, today was a difficult day (don't know if you've read my other thread) but she was from way up high untill just now pretty low.
So at pmps time she ate a little, she didn't really wanted to eat. And just now I see her eating a little from her raw food.. But she's still being a little fuzzy, I guess she is not feeling that well because of her high spikes today.
I will set my alarm in about 30 minutes to test her +6. And after that I really need a night sleep. I can't take these spooky nights.... :confused:
If she was droping but not that fast I was already a sleep, but because she dropped so quick these last 2 hours, i'm a little scared coming from 401 to 153 now.
 
Ruby&Baco said:
Yeah well, today was a difficult day (don't know if you've read my other thread) but she was from way up high untill just now pretty low.
So at pmps time she ate a little, she didn't really wanted to eat. And just now I see her eating a little from her raw food.. But she's still being a little fuzzy, I guess she is not feeling that well because of her high spikes today.
I will set my alarm in about 30 minutes to test her +6. And after that I really need a night sleep. I can't take these spooky nights.... :confused:
If she was droping but not that fast I was already a sleep, but because she dropped so quick these last 2 hours, i'm a little scared coming from 401 to 153 now.
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It was a big drop but that could be from clearing the higher numbers she was at earlier. Hopefully she has reached her peak and will not drop too much more. From your data her nadir seems to be at +5 so maybe she has hit the low for tonight. You could give her a little bit of her regular food just to have a bit extra food on board.
 
I'm sorry Ruby, I am just now seeing this. As Mary Ann said, it looks like her nadir is around +5 so this could be her low. Setting your alarm and rechecking her in 30 minutes is a good idea.
 
Thx! :bighug:
Let's hope she doesn't drop anymore.
Hee bowl of food is still around, she has plenty to eat, I just picked her up and put her infront of her bowl, ate a couple of bites and was done. Like I said, I think she's still not feeling all to well about her high spikes today.
Hopefully tomorrow morning her PS # will be a yellow one like yesterday, and everything will be back to it's old self. This spiking thing is something I don't like... :nailbiting:
Her +6 is in 30 minutes, should I test her then or should I leave it?
 
Okay Bobbie, thanks so much for your comment! Got really nervous here, I think we both didn't expect Baco to drop that low after her 401 at pmps right? Omg...
 
I know how scary those big drops are Ruby! Your handling it better then I have, I'm shoving food at Cooter after one of those! Hope she slows down at +6 :) She got that blue you wanted though! :bighug:
 
i thinks so 2 Bobbie! Let me tell you she gave me amps of 124.... Nice... But don't know what to do now, made a new thread about it.


@Sarah Smith well I normally shove food at her but because of that little hc party yesterday I didn't want to give her other food than the raw food. She def. is giving me blue... I think I will see green today considering her amps is low blue!
 
ummm. Baco didn't had insulin and now at +4 (after she should had originaly had insulin) she's at 74.
I guess that's good but she can't hypo on me right? because of not having insulin?
 
Ruby&Baco said:
ummm. Baco didn't had insulin and now at +4 (after she should had originaly had insulin) she's at 74.
I guess that's good but she can't hypo on me right? because of not having insulin?
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Good morning. I was just catching up on last nights posts

You are using Prozinc which is more of an "in and out" insulin, so you shouldn't have to worry about a hypo with no insulin given last night.
 
The numbers you are getting are very good, especially with no insulin on board. I am going to reread the posts from last night and see if there is any other information I can comment on. Do not give any insulin and continue doing some monitoring during the day
 
Hi,

Thanks sooooo much! How amazing are these numbers today from Baco. I just can't believe this.. without insuline she's going lower in #.
I gues her pancreas is working now?
 
Ruby&Baco said:
Hi,

Thanks sooooo much! How amazing are these numbers today from Baco. I just can't believe this.. without insuline she's going lower in #.
I gues her pancreas is working now?
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This is certainly what it looks like..wonderful numbers. As I said I am going to reread your posts and see if I have anything else to offer right now. I am still waking up :coffee: :coffee: and there are not too many others on right now, but you can comfortably not worry about the shot for this morning. We will see what tonight brings..fingers crossed :)
 
Thank you so much for your comment!.
Hopefully tonight is the same, that would be great! How is it possible that Baco's pancreas starts to work again like this in a blink of an eye.. That's what I find odd.
I will be gone in 2 hours, and be back (from now this time on) in 7 hours, just in time for Baco's pmps. So I can't monitor her later #... But she will be fine I guess. She's not going to be in dangerous that's for sure.
 
Ruby&Baco said:
Thank you so much for your comment!.
Hopefully tonight is the same, that would be great! How is it possible that Baco's pancreas starts to work again like this in a blink of an eye.. That's what I find odd.
I will be gone in 2 hours, and be back (from now this time on) in 7 hours, just in time for Baco's pmps.
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The pancreas heals slowly with the help of insulin. There is no way to tell whether it is starting to work normally or whether it is just "kicking in" for a while. But you will be able to tell with testing. Obviously Baco is very carb sensitive as was shown when she got into the other kitties dry food, so you know that you need to keep her foods low carb. Good that you are rechecking the carb contents of the foods you are using with the Nederlands forum, since I have no idea about the brands you use there. The good thing is that it looks like Baco has cleared the bounce from the high carb food.

I can't see anything else right now, but definitely check her numbers later and see how the numbers are. When it is closer to the regular time you would shoot, get a reading and post on here with the numbers. Keeping my fingers crossed that these numbers continue and the pancreas is healing ;)
 
Thank you for your comment.
Well I will be home at PMPS, so I can't get any more numbers (in about 2 hours) so that's a shame.
But I will test her +5 and +6 (these are between the 2 hours that I leave) to check how she's doing.
She just ate a little again, so maybe her # will go up a little.


Tuxedo Mom said:
Good that you are rechecking the carb contents of the foods you are using with the Nederlands forum, since I have no idea about the brands you use there.
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I normally give Baco an all raw diet, but yesterday, because of her #, I left some dry food behind 'just in case' well she decided she was going to eat that instead of her raw food..:rolleyes:
Lesson learned, although she's low in # she is not getting dry food with 11% carbs in it. Her raw food is 0% carbs and sometimes if she doesn't like the raw flavor, like today, I put in a tbps off 3% wet food (from my other cat Minnie)
So she will eat her raw food then.
 
Ruby&Baco said:
Thank you for your comment.
Well I will be home at PMPS, so I can't get any more numbers (in about 2 hours) so that's a shame.
But I will test her +5 and +6 (these are between the 2 hours that I leave) to check how she's doing.
She just ate a little again, so maybe her # will go up a little.



I normally give Baco an all raw diet, but yesterday, because of her #, I left some dry food behind 'just in case' well she decided she was going to eat that instead of her raw food..:rolleyes:
Lesson learned, although she's low in # she is not getting dry food with 11% carbs in it. Her raw food is 0% carbs and sometimes if she doesn't like the raw flavor, like today, I put in a tbps off 3% wet food (from my other cat Minnie)
So she will eat her raw food then.
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You have seen first hand just how much the dry food can raise Baco's numbers so definitely something to totally avoid. Also dry food takes longer to leave the system so it can keep numbers higher for a longer period of time. Your raw food diet is a great way to go and adding a bit of 3% to encourage eating should not be a problem.

I have two diabetic kitties. One is very carb sensitive and the other is not. When I get low numbers I only need to use a medium carb to bring the numbers up with my carb sensitive one but with the other I need to use high carb. ECID...Every cat is different :)
 
haha, well yes I've seen that she can't have dry food.

Tuxedo Mom said:
I have two diabetic kitties. One is very carb sensitive and the other is not.
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Well that's good that you found that out! If you haven't you would be giving to much to your carb sensitive one...
I guess you learn a long the way how your cats 'work' they have a manual, all of them. ECID right ;)

I now have a shelf in my pantry that has LC, MC and HC next to eachother, so i know what I can and CAN NOT give them..

Minnie is not diabetic, but gets also LC en MC.. just found out yesterday that he was eating HC, so I decided that he is not going to get that anymore because even though he is healthy, it's not healthy for a cat to get so many carbs...
So I let is sit in my pantry, but not touching it haha.
 
Wow Ruby! I am just catching up and this is such a nice surprise to see Baco go from yesterday's high (from the dry food ) to a skipped shot this AM. Now you know just how carb sensitive she is and it would be wise to get some LC food to have on hand to steer her with in the event you'd need it again.

As Mary Ann said, it's hard to tell whether the pancreas is just kicking in for a while or what but, this is very nice to see. And no, Baco won't hypo on you today with a skipped shot this AM because ProZinc is an in -out insulin and is usually gone after 12 hours and in some cats maybe lasting 14. And he is still in a safe number right now, so no worries.

I will be interested to see what his PM number is. :)
 
Ruby&Baco said:
I now have a shelf in my pantry that has LC, MC and HC next to eachother, so i know what I can and CAN NOT give them..
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I have the same thing in my cupboard. One row of each type and I mark LC MC or HC on the tins in big letters. One time I grabbed what I thought was LC since one of my kitties wasn't eating (I normally feed home-made) and I grabbed and opened a HC by mistake....too early in the morning I guess. So now I mark in big letters on the can so when I am not totally awake I won't make another mistake :)
 
haha, Bobbie!!! I was just thinking about you, how suprised you would be to see this :bighug:
It's a surprise right. I couldn't have thought about this yesterday! I still can't believe her amazing numbers!

Bobbie And Bubba said:
I will be interested to see what his PM number is. :)
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I will let you know in about 6 hours, then it's PMPS time.

Tuxedo Mom said:
So now I mark in big letters on the can so when I am not totally awake I won't make another mistake :)
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@Tuxedo Mom that's a great idea, I will do that also.. mark them JUST to be sure..
 
Ruby&Baco said:
+5 is a 104 right now (but she ate just 30 minutes ago) so that's not a surpirse that her # will go up a little.
This looks soooo promissing!
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EXCELLENT The numbers always go up after eating that is normal. Let's see whether Baco can bring them down on her own. That would be wonderful.
 
OMG it's such a anxious (in a positive way) ride today.
Every time I test her I'm like 'please be a blue/green #,please be a blue/green #,please be a blue/green #,please be a blue/green #,
And then I get my way when I see the # :D

Well guys, I need to get ready because I have to leave in an hour.
I will post her +6 here so you can see it!

will talk to you all at her PMPS time in 6 hours!
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
I do the same thing as Mary Ann, I mark on the tops of the MC and HC even though they are separated from all the LC because in a sleepy stupor I could accidently switch them .:confused:
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:cat: I thought I was going overboard when I started doing this, guess not! I actually wrote the carb % on the last batch I bought since there were some low LC, high LC, and some lower end MC in the boxes.
 
Ruby&Baco said:
+6 122
going up a little, but I guess that's because she ate..
Let keep our fingers AND toes crossed that her PMPS will be a nice blue number!
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It would be a good idea to notate on the comments part of the spreadsheet when and how much you fed Baco. That will give a good idea how much the food is raising the numbers and how well/long it (hopefully) takes for Baco to come back down on her own
 
Well that's the problem, I can't give you the times she eats..
She gets a bowl in the morning and eats from it all day, and in the evening also.. So if she decides to eat, she eats.. if not, she doesn't.

PMPS is 189.
I'll make a new thread, to hear what your comments about her are this PM.
 
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