Back on juice after remission on Pro-Zinc 1 day...numbers qu

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Mt cat went off remission after one year. Yesterday was at Vets all day where stress had him climb over 500. He got him down to 300's and oddly by the time he got home an hour away he was at 338 at 6:25 pm. At 8:23 pm at 221. I gave him his 2 unit shot after food.
This morning he was at 67!!!! At 3:16 he was at 89. Sadly did not feed him as much today because the vet told me only feed him twice a day but I cheated and gave him a little chicken breast and about 1/3 can FF classic. He is a now more slimmer but still large 24 lb cat down from about 28.
I just tested him at 8:15 and he is back up to 163!!!!!Yikes!
I think the 2 units is too much for him. AM I right? What should I do??????? Should I shoot something???? Just got back on here so do not have a spreadsheet started yet. He may still want to eat tonight since I have not fed him near his normal amount today. He has had about 1 3/4 cans FF to 2 cans.
 
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It sounds like he needs a little insulin, but it will be tricky to find out how much, or little. I think I'd try .5 units and see how his cycle looks (2 units was clearly too much). And I wouldn't shoot under 200 but stall. Wait 20 minutes without feeding and retest. If he is rising a d close to or above 200, then shoot.

If he is running too high at .5 after 3 cycles or so, maybe raise the dose to .75

Nothing else going on? No infections? Teeth okay? Does he eat wet low carb? Could he be getting into higher carb food?
 
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So he is under 200 right now. Don't shoot? Or are you saying feed him and wait 20 minutes to see the numbers? then if above 200 shoot .5?????
 
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He is at 163. Not fed again yet.
Explain what 3 cycles means??????Only FF classics and a little organic cooked chicken today. I asked the vet to check him out. He said tests were pretty normal. A little elevated liver but not much. He is 13 yrs old. I asked him to check teeth and such but don't know if he actually did. He is an asshole.
 
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So it's been 24 hours since the shot of 2 units and he hasn't eaten for several hours. Do I have it right?

If you'd wait 30-60 minutes and let the number rise a bit, will that throw off your next shot/schedule?
 
Re: Back on juice after remission on Pro-Zinc 1 day...number

HIs last shot was at 8:15 last night. 2 units.
He ate 1 can FF this morning and his number was 67 sat 8:28 before feeding. Then it went to 89 by 3:16pm. I had fed him nothing still. Then I fed him about 5 pm??? 1/2 can ff and about four tbls organic chicken and the test at 8:15 was 163. I hope I remembered feeding amounts right but I may have fed him closer to 5:30 pm.
The shot tonight would be at 8:15 pm. It is now 9 pm here.
 
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It would be better if you can give him some insulin tonight. Skipping most likely would mean he would be very high by tomorrow morning. But I think I'd wait at least 30 minutes, without feeding him (because food raises bg levels. You want a number that isn't influenced by food.). Then, if he is at least 180, try .5 units. Does that sound reasonable?
 
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Should I test him again????????????????? I have only two strips left and then have to open a new vial and calibrate. Woudl you give insulin under 163?????
 
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It has been at least two hours since he ate last. Maybe 2.5. Should I test him again first and see right now????? Then like you say if he is at 180 or above then feed him and give him .5????? Is that right???
 
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I wouldn't give insulin at 163. If you had some data and knew what would happen, it would be different. But since he is newly on insulin and you can't be sure what he will do, even with a small dose, I'd be cautious. I'd like him higher - 180-200.

You could use one of the strips in 30 minutes and then one before bed, just to see how he is headed. Then start some new ones for tomorrow?
 
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I guess I just tested him at 8:15 soooooooooo is it going to hurt to test him at 9 :30 and then see? Normally I give the insulin at 8:15ish. IF I end up giving it. I feel I should like you say do maybe .5??????? but you say it depends upon his number being over 180???? He has been high in the mornings. That is how I knew he was sick again.

I can test him up until 11 pm when I go to bed. Is that too late to give insulin if he is 190-200????? Or I can test him at 10?????
Yes....I agree this is tricky.
 
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My thought is that you need to restart and go slowly. You know 2 units tooK him too low and lasted too long. So I'd start again at .5 for several cycles and increase, if and when the numbers indicate. If you can be a little flexible with a little later shot time in the am tomorrow, yes, testing at 9:30 would be great. My guess is that he will be near 200 by then.

Does that sound okay?
 
Re: Back on juice after remission on Pro-Zinc 1 day...number

So should I test now????? Wait I will let you know his numbers.....
 
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OMG he is at 129. WTF????? And he wants to eat.
 
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129 and hungry...do not shoot? Or feed and take it again at say11 pm just to see. IF he is over 200 at that time would you shoot.5???????? that late????
 
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Aha. So he has come down on his own. (good example of the importance of rechecking so you can be sure he is rising and high enough.). I think you have to skip. It looks like his pancreas is kicking in and bringing his numbers down on its own, without the insulin.

So, he might be high in the am. (36 hours since the last shot). But I would give him less than 2 units. If he is super high (400s) maybe one unit. If he is nearer 200, .5 units.

Make sense?
 
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yes!!!!!!!!! Oh thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!!!! I am feeding him 3/4 can FF chicken class. Is that enough? He is about 24 lbs. He used to nearly 29 a year ago.This same vet overdid it last time and that is when I found this group and another one.
 
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I gave him the whole can. He is really hungry. I totally cut back way too much today. The vet scares me. He is very bossy.
 
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It depends on his activity level and if he is overweight (sounds like he needs to lose weight). My Oliver was 18 pounds and not active. I gave him 2.5 cans of Fancy Feast daily, split in a couple small meals (thought to help the pancreas). It sometimes helps to add warm water to the food. That makes it seem more filling for him.
 
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He is not very active. He also is on heart meds. Deformed heart. I think today he had 2 cans total so....... maybe 2.25. He is also very large in size. Big bones. Very very tall and long. He is not normal. But he used to be 29 about and has lost about 5 lbs in about a year so.....I want to get him to 21 anyways.

SO YOU ONLY FED YOUR CAT TWICE A DAY?????? Some tell me only twice a day and some say three and some say several times a day.??????????????
 
Re: Back on juice after remission on Pro-Zinc 1 day...number

Then 2.5 sounds reasonable. After Oliver was In remission, I reduced him to 2 cans daily. He lost 4 pounds overall. Try the water trick and see if it makes him satisfied. And I do think small meals are a good idea - especially if his pancreas is trying to help out.

Glad you are testing and caught the low numbers! Have a nice quiet night. If you want to post with a number in the am, we'll watch for you.
 
Re: Back on juice after remission on Pro-Zinc 1 day...number

I was not paying attention and he ate the corner off the plastic bag I had the strip in. Dang! I will post in the am. Am sure he will be high......dunno....but will take all of your advice!
 
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He tested at 270 at 9 am and gave him only.5 unit.
 
Re: Back on juice after remission on Pro-Zinc 1 day...number

Hi Glinda. Welcome to FDMB again. I may have missed it but what meter are you using? Also, you are definitely collecting a lot of good data. Setting up a spreadsheet will be super helpful. You can see many spreadsheets on almost everyone's signature. It would be super helpful to see all the data that you are collecting. Here are the instructions. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18207
 
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I am using the AlphTrak2. I have now two of them sadly due to ADW's shipping screw up but I needed the strips so am stuck with tow now. I compared it to my original one and very close as I test within a point or two. He tested way too high a little while ago. I just fed him 1/2 FF classic but to be honest he is so high that I felt bad yet he needs to eat. His last feeding is around 9 when I am to give a shot. Am thinking maybe I need to go to 1 unit??????????? He was on two for friday but then the numbers were so low Sat. that I did not shoot him. Now they are climbing again.
 
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Good to know that you are using an AlphaTrak 2 meter. Since the AT meter produces a little higher number than the human meter, it would be good to know that. Could you add the meter information to your signature. May want to highlight it in red or capital letters.

Not sure if you would be interested in changing to a human meter. It is easier to get strips and it is much cheaper. I first started with the AlphaTrak (AT) meter but the strips were $1 each and I was testing a lot. The folks here convinced me to get a Relion meter from Walmart. The Relion Prime or Relion Micro seems to be the meter of choice. They only cost $15 and the strips are 35 cents (you can buy 100 for $35.00). What I like about these meters is that I don't have to plan to "order" them; all I have to do is run down to Walmart.

Oh also you don't have to "code" the meter like you do the AT meter. It is done automatically.
 
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9 am 275 Gave 1/2 unit Prozinc
fed 1 can FF Clas.

tested 2x at 12:42 277 then 2nd test with larger blood sample 259

2:30 252 fed 3/4 can FF Class at 2:30-3pm

6-6:30 tested 343!!!!!!!!!!

fed him a little over 1/2-3/4 can ffc

I am going to test him at 9pm. I don't think the .5 unit is working that I did this morning.

I will set up a spreadsheet as soon as I can figure out how to. I was supposed to work today to make money and had too many chores to do so as well as take care of Smudge and my other 8 rescues. And husband.

Am trying to assemble my numbers from the last two weeks. Smudge has only been back on insulin since friday. We skipped yesterday due to good numbers but not today. I don't know what to do after I take his test at 9.

I know everyone wants me to get a Relion. I hate Walmart. I am sick of supporting Companies that are part of climate change promotion and takeovers. If there was another choice fine but everyone is PUSHING me to get one. I have 2 alphatraks now. One is 1 day old. I hate the costs of strips but I hate the cost of insulin also. If there is another cheap meter that is not a Walmart brand I might get it but I am not made of money and already have spent $140 Weds getting a new meter when it tuns out my old one worked but I ran out of strips and ADW sent it two day (three) when I paid for overnight. I have 60 strips right now to test with.
 
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How do I add my meter type to my signature? How do I add a picture of smudge? Tried to find it today but could not.
 
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It does look like the .5 unit dose was too low. Your choice - stick with it a couple more cycles and see if he settles in and goes down. Or increase to one unit. If increasing, I would plan on getting a few tests in for that cycle, just to be sure he doesn't surprise you.

Did you see my private message. I am happy to set up your spreadsheet.
 
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What do you mean by "getting a few tests in that cycle"? Give me an example as I am new to this lingo. Like tomorrow? Overnight?
I got your email but when I opened it it was a graph thing with a note at the top asking for my email addy and PW. I sent it to you on a reply button. Did you not get it? ugggh! I hate computers!
 
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Probably would be wise to get a test 3 hours after the shot tonight just to be sure he isn't dropping too low too fast. Go back to your messages and find the message I sent. Choose Reply and put in the info. Then be sure to push Submit (at the bottom). I can put the AlphaTrak meter in your signature along with the spreadsheet.
 
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291 right now. Am thinking doing only .5 again after feed. What say you??
 
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Hmmm. So he has come down a little. Interesting that he was a little higher at midcycle. generally we can look at the cycle as pretty flat. I think .5 would be fine. It may be that it is not enough, but you can give it a few more cycles to be sure.

Got your info. i will send an email to you tonight.
 
Re: Back on juice after remission on Pro-Zinc 1 day...number

I know it is odd. Even when he was off insulin he was always higher first thing in am and then went lower . I know. :cry:
 
Re: Back on juice after remission on Pro-Zinc 1 day...number

He ate 1/2 ff classic and had .5 now. Better safe than sorry at 291.
 
Re: Back on juice after remission on Pro-Zinc 1 day...number

Hello! If you want to get a different meter you could try the Arkray from ADW. I hear it's basically the same as the relion without the Walmart! I hear you about them...I did get my meter and strips from them but I felt bad every time.

Getting a new meter is up to you. Strips for Alphatrak are expensive but if you already have them I'd use them. I just wanted to present an option for you to think about...by no means am I saying you should do this. :smile:

You're doing great! Youll be back up to speed on this sugar dance in no time!
 
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Hopefully I will get time to start doing my numbers and notes. This am at 9 he tested pretty high at 363, He ate 7/8 can ff and was bugging me for for food last night also late but I gave him only about 2 tbls. chicken breast. This morning he was bugging me also. He knows his feeding times and he lets me know. Gave the .5 again. Like some have suggested wait and do a couple rounds and see what happens. Good thing I have strips because we are in a snowstorm and cannot go anywhere. Appreciate the info on the meter. will check into it if maybe cheaper to run. Cannot buy anything right now though. ADW called twice this am apologizing for their mess up.
 
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