Back in the Saddle Again.. Maybe

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Jennifer block

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Hey all, its been a really long while since we have been on here. Mufasa has/had been in remission since September of 2019. Since then I would test him here and there just to keep a watch. He has been in good spirits and so have we. Since the start of his remission, his numbers would range from high 60s to like low 90s depending on what time of day it was and when he ate. But he has had no insulin during that time. No need for it.

I don't know if I had mentioned but we become fur-parents again to a wonderful pitbull named Chase. We got him Spring of 2018. Chase loves Mufasa, but Mufasa is like old Mr. Wilson from Dennis the Menace. He just rather not be bothered with him. LOL Flash forward.... over the past couple months, I have been catching Mufasa stealing kibble out of Chase's bowl. Chase doesn't eat bad food, but I know the difference with nutritional value between cat and dog food. More recently, which switched Chase to a part kibble part freeze dried raw food (Instinct). And I think that is part of the reason Mufasa has taken a liking to it. I catch him paws up on the dogs bowl (because the dog's bowl sits up about a foot and a half from the floor on a stand), nibbling. I get him out of there the soonest I catch him.

Since he has been doing that, I have seen a little spike in his sugars. Not bad, but enough to be like "Eh, let me keep my eyes on him". Last weekend, my husband brought to my attention that he thinks that Mufasa is acting strange. He said Mufasa is normally screaming for attention an hour before feeding time (he does, he acts like we starve him. But he gets all the freeze dried treats he wants), and this day he wasn't. So I said I will go check him. Well, his sugars were at 171. But he wasn't sick or anything. No signs of anything wrong. He was sleeping peacefully in his heated cat house in the corner of the living room before I snagged him up to test him. So, I fed him dinner and told my husband I will test again tomorrow (Monday). In the meantime, we started picking up the bowl at night.

Monday afternoon before feeding him lunch (usually 11:30 but this day I was late cause I work from home), I tested him. WHOA!! 223!!! WTH!!! I didn't have anymore insulin because it expired and I tossed it. So, I contacted the vet to ask for a refill. I got the refill and then tested him before dinner. It came down a little to 181. The doc increased his dosage from 0.5 units twice a day to 1 unit twice a day. So, I gave him the 1 unit. Then tested him 4 hours later, it came all the way down to 63. I made the decision with help from the FB page to decrease back to 0.5 and go from there. I decided to do kind of a curve the next day.

In the morning, AMPS was 102. I gave him 0.5. And he hovered throughout the day between 72 - 85 for the first 5 hours. Then I test him 8 hours after, and he was at 130. Then his PMPS was 136, and I gave him 0.5. 2 hours after, he shot up to 146. 4 hours after he went down to 97.

Next day he was still at 97 for his AMPS, so I didn't give him an insulin. I tested him 5 hours after breakfast and he went to 123. PMPS he went up to 134, and I gave him 0.5. 4 hours later he tested at 58.

This morning, he was back up to 132 with his AMPS so I gave him 0.5. At lunch he was at 78. I am going to test again at 6pm which is dinner time and normally shot time. But after talking with Chris, I decided not to shoot him if he is under 150.

Question is.... is it possible to only need insulin for a couple days and then be ok without it again??

Keep in mind, there is nothing else wrong with him. He is eating, peeing, poohing and running around like a kitten still. We are getting more in the habit of picking up Chase's bowl when he is done eating after a few minutes and especially at bed time.

I updated my chart, too.
 
It is possible the dog's food is contributing to the higher readings, especially if he is getting in the food shortly before you test.

When was the last time he had blood work done or his tests checked? Rising glucose levels could also indicate that he may have an infection.
 
It is possible the dog's food is contributing to the higher readings, especially if he is getting in the food shortly before you test.

When was the last time he had blood work done or his tests checked? Rising glucose levels could also indicate that he may have an infection.

So, I popped a keytone test strip in his pee when he was going, and it showed normal. No keytones. He has no other symptoms. Just high BG reading. He is due for a yearly check up in about a month. I plan to make a appointment here soon. It just baffles me that his numbers shot up so high Sunday and Monday, and now they are normal with barely any insulin.

BTW - I just finished almost 3 years of logging onto my sheet. I guess that is what I get for using pen and paper. LOL
 
Hi Jennifer, sorry I can't answer that question but I can tag a few members for you about Prozinc .
@Chris & China (GA)

@JanetNJ
Maybe they can give you an answer
He's a handsome boy
As soon as I saw your title Back In The Saddle Again I thought of Aerosmith lol
You've got a great sense of humor
 
Hi Jennifer, sorry I can't answer that question but I can tag a few members for you about Prozinc .
@Chris & China (GA)

@JanetNJ
Maybe they can give you an answer
He's a handsome boy
As soon as I saw your title Back In The Saddle Again I thought of Aerosmith lol
You've got a great sense of humor

I thought I would get someone's attention with it... thanks. I try to stay positive. And I am very blessed to have such a good looking family.
 
over the past couple months, I have been catching Mufasa stealing kibble out of Chase's bowl. ... a part kibble part freeze dried raw food (Instinct) ... Since he has been doing that, I have seen a little spike in his sugars.

Question is.... is it possible to only need insulin for a couple days and then be ok without it again??
Maybe.

Is Mufasa carb sensitive? — i.e., did you find that it was easy to manipulate or raise his BG by feeding carbs the first time he was on insulin? Did removing higher carb food affect his numbers noticeably?

Chip was extremely carb sensitive. He was middle aged and a bit overweight when diagnosed and had been on dry food his entire life. Removing the dry food (the “offending” culprit) put him into a diet-controlled remission within a week. I used to joke that he was so carb sensitive that even waving a bowl of dry food under his nose would spike his BG. He did get into some forbidden dry food once or twice and, even though is was lower carb dry, it spiked his BG for days. We were very lucky it didn’t require that he go back on insulin, but it was a very close call.

The point is that yes, for some cats, an “offending event” (such as getting into carb-laden food) can cause BG values to go up. If you’re lucky, removing the offending item and maybe a short course of insulin will put them back into remission. Note that it is often harder to get them into remission a second time, which is why we always warn people not to get lax and start feeding dry food again (that’s a general comment and not directed at you — getting into contraband dog food was an accident and is such a cat-like thing to do!)

If Mufasa needs a bit of insulin support in the short term, there are some options between zero and 0.5u that you might consider. For example, you can always try 0.25u or 0.1u or even a few drops of insulin.

Hopefully his BG will be back to normal in no time. And if it’s not, or if he’s one of those cats who isn’t really affected by carbs, then you might need to look for a different “offending” cause (infection, dental issues, uti, etc). But the dog food does seem an obvious culprit.
 
I dont think he is carb sensitive but he might be. I tried at one point to give him a grain free dry food to see how it would affect him, it was only a little bit every day. That was not a good idea, he spike like crazy and it made him sick. It took months to get him right again.

We def have been a lot better at keeping Chase's bowl up. And he is back to some regular numbers. No insulin since yesterday morning. Things seem back to normal.
 
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