? Any high dose kitties on 100% homemade raw?

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Susan G & Jimmy G

Susan G & Jimmy G

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Wondering how others kitties' BG reacts when switching from commercial wet food to homemade raw?

Jimmy seems to have had a set back and since 100% raw his numbers are up. However, his behavior is much better...i.e. more active, wanting to be more social, eating 4 solid meals a day not demanding food every two hours. All good things...just not seeing it reflected in his BG. Kinda stumped. Could this be a protein no carb glucose conversion thing?
 
Neko's numbers didn't show any difference between commercial wet food, manufactured raw, or homemade raw, as long as they were all in the 2-5% carbs range. She occasionally got some zero % carb - again, no change.

Were you planning on getting Jimmy tested for high dose conditions? Those conditions can also change the insulin requirements, much more than a food change can.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Neko's numbers didn't show any difference between commercial wet food, manufactured raw, or homemade raw, as long as they were all in the 2-5% carbs range. She occasionally got some zero % carb - again, no change.

Were you planning on getting Jimmy tested for high dose conditions? Those conditions can also change the insulin requirements, much more than a food change can.
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Yes...contacted local vet to do the Bloodwork. Waiting to hear back. My regular vet also recommended an endocrine specialist and will arrange an appt with her when I get the results back.

I'm back on TR after hanging on the 6.5 dose. Tonight will be his last cycle at 7U unless he surprises me with some low number at PMPS. Tomorrow I plan to increase to 7.5. Have got to get him away from these high numbers.
 
@Karen & Lily is also feeding raw and I think Paul @Bronx's dad is too.

My vet hooked me up with an internal medicine specialist vet when I got the results back for a "diagnosis and treatment plan". It was going to cost me close to $250. I got the diagnosis from the blood work results, cancelled the appointment and put the almost $250 towards treatment. Which I found out about here. To be fair to my vet, she knew almost nothing about acromegaly or treatments. At the time, I am not sure what the IM vet could have done for me. Instead I learned a lot from the IM vets at CSU where we went for treatment. They had a lot of hands on experience.
 
Lily's #s only got better when I finally found the right insulin dose for her. She does love her raw food. I follow Dr Pierson's recipe for homemade raw. Lily loves to lick the bowl after its made and I have put all the food into the mason jars for freezing. I have also used Primal freeze dried pork recipe and Stella & Chewy's turkey recipe and their chicken recipe, as well as Rad Cat frozen varieties. Lily's #s don't change much when she eats those brands either.
My vet doesn't know much about acromegaly either. My vet treats cats only and has told me that Lily is the only kitty that she knows with acro.
 
I use raw mixed with some high quality canned stuff like Organix. Haven't noticed any difference in BG levels but feel better knowing Bronx is eating the right food since he is always hungry and eats a lot. I don't make my own, instead buy frozen Rad Cat or Primal at a local place. If you make your own, I believe you do need to add some nutrients, FoodFurLife is a company that makes the powder you add to your homemade raw. I am sure there are other places to get the similar stuff. http://www.foodfurlife.com/
 
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I use raw mixed with some high quality canned stuff like Organix. Haven't noticed any difference in BG levels but feel better knowing Bronx is eating the right food since he is always hungry and eats a lot. I don't make my own, instead buy frozen Rad Cat or Primal at a local place. If you make your own, I believe you do need to add some nutrients, FoodFurLife is a company that makes the powder you add to your homemade raw. I am sure there are other places to get the similar stuff. http://www.foodfurlife.com/
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OK - thanks. Yes - I'm using EZComplete. I've just heard in the past from others saying to "closely watch BG as the raw protein may result in reduced insulin needs." I am seeing quite the opposite and perhaps there's some bio reason behind it (protein converting to glucose or something totally above my head)...wanted to see if others had the same experience.

Could my new box of pens be ineffective. They look good - no floaties or clouds. I rec'd them June 21st and started the first pen on June 22nd. Seven cycles in to the new pen - his numbers crept up. Suspicious timing. It wasn't terribly hot out - but the shipping ice packs had thawed out. It had taken around 4-5 days from leaving the facility to arriving at my home. But he has had some dips - just nothing substantial in the last few cycles on this increased dose. My mantra right now is - Patience, patience, and more patience. :mad:
 
Susan G & Jimmy G said:
OK - thanks. Yes - I'm using EZComplete. I've just heard in the past from others saying to "closely watch BG as the raw protein may result in reduced insulin needs." I am seeing quite the opposite and perhaps there's some bio reason behind it (protein converting to glucose or something totally above my head)...wanted to see if others had the same experience.

Could my new box of pens be ineffective. They look good - no floaties or clouds. I rec'd them June 21st and started the first pen on June 22nd. Seven cycles in to the new pen - his numbers crept up. Suspicious timing. It wasn't terribly hot out - but the shipping ice packs had thawed out. It had taken around 4-5 days from leaving the facility to arriving at my home. But he has had some dips - just nothing substantial in the last few cycles on this increased dose. My mantra right now is - Patience, patience, and more patience. :mad:
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Our high-dose kitties are so unpredictable I gave up on trying to figure out why the numbers go opposite sometimes than what I'm expecting. If the insulin never got hot for an extended time, it is probably ok but the only way to know for sure is get another pen locally and see what happens. If you decide to get the IAA/IGF1 tests, you may have more answers to what's going on with Jimmy.
 
If Jimmy has acromegaly, then it could just be the tumour ramping up, it happens. If he has IAA, it could be the antibodies fighting back. Once you know what he has, then you won't question the insulin as much. It's usually not the insulin at fault. You got greens for three weeks after starting the new pen, even got down to the 60's, which means the fresh juice you started on June 22nd is probably OK. You just hung onto the dose too long, it got stale, and Jimmy started getting some glucose toxicity. With high dose cats, you cannot hang onto a dose too long if it's not getting numbers you want. Fight the insulin resistance by keeping on top of increases.
 
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If Jimmy has acromegaly, then it could just be the tumour ramping up, it happens. If he has IAA, it could be the antibodies fighting back. Once you know what he has, then you won't question the insulin as much. It's usually not the insulin at fault. You got greens for three weeks after starting the new pen, even got down to the 60's, which means the fresh juice you started on June 22nd is probably OK. You just hung onto the dose too long, it got stale, and Jimmy started getting some glucose toxicity. With high dose cats, you cannot hang onto a dose too long if it's not getting numbers you want. Fight the insulin resistance by keeping on top of increases.
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Thank you for your help and words of wisdom. Going to vet next week for BW and am sending off to MSU.

Question: Should Tomorrow morning's increase be by half still or a whole unit?
 
Wendy&Neko said:
If Jimmy has acromegaly, then it could just be the tumour ramping up, it happens. If he has IAA, it could be the antibodies fighting back. Once you know what he has, then you won't question the insulin as much. It's usually not the insulin at fault. You got greens for three weeks after starting the new pen, even got down to the 60's, which means the fresh juice you started on June 22nd is probably OK. You just hung onto the dose too long, it got stale, and Jimmy started getting some glucose toxicity. With high dose cats, you cannot hang onto a dose too long if it's not getting numbers you want. Fight the insulin resistance by keeping on top of increases.
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I hear that whole unit increases aren't really warranted until 10u. But I'm concerned and don't want him hanging around these high numbers. Are there ever any exceptions to that guideline?
 
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