Another good day for Copper-Yea

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It's looking like its going to be another good day for copper. So glad, finnaly.

His neuropathy is still really bad. Can hardly walk and cannot go up and down stairs anymore. Very sad. I hope that his sugar starts to stay down now so the neuro will heal. I hate seeing this way.

Will keep you updated.

Thanks all!

lori
 
Lori-
Some folks here give their cats a suppliment that helps with the neuropathy to help reverse some of the nerve damage. I think its a form of vitamin B12, hopefully someone here who uses it will chime in with what it is called in the retail world and where to get it.
 
Thankfully, neuropathy isn't a problem I've had to deal with, but there's been quite a bit of discussion on the main health forum. Here's some snipits pulled from other threads:

Julia & Bandit said:
There is also a supplement for neuropathy that can help out called methylcobalamin B12. Here's a good resource that explains how it works: http://www.laurieulrich.com/jasper/

A friend of mine is currently giving it to her diabetic cat with neuropathy--here's a link to the capsules she bought: http://www.amazon.com/Vitacost-Vita...UTF8&qid=1321902593&sr=8-13&fb_source=message. The capsules are easy because you can just open them and mix in in their food.
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And a fairly recent thread or two.

Hope this helps!
(This is so much easier when I'm on a normal computer and not my cell phone. :-D )
 
The Methyl B-12 helped Harley's Neuropothy tremendously.

Copper didn't get much of a drop today. They can be more sensitive to insulin after a near hypo so yesterday's 1.5u looked about perfect and today not so much. You don't want the higher bg's to get ahead of you so depending on what his PMPS is you may want to start thinking about going back up with the dose in small increases like .25u at a time.
 
Shakes was unable to jump and barely able to walk for over a year
I have been giving him 5 pills a day for almost a year now,
and he is walking and just started jumping again
I highly recommend the b12
my vet also gave me liquid b for injection and that also helped tremendously!
 
Thanks for the encouragement about the neuropathy. If it wasn't for that , i would say you wouldnt even know he was sick. It just seems he has gotten worse over the last month with his legs. But i will stay hopeful. He sure is still motivated to move around and get outside. Yes, i have heard about methy.. and was giving him the zobaline 2xday, but have run out of it. I ordered it over 3wks ago and somehow has gotten lost in the mail system. Called today and they are going to send again. But in the meantime, don't want to stop giving him it. Can you get it at health food stores or something? I doubt any local vet around here has anything like that for sale or injection. But i will call around tomorrow and see. So far it hasn't helped him, but his BG has been controlled yet either.

As for going up on the dose? I thought i was supposed to be staying on a dose for at least 5days to let it settle in. I don't want his BG to increase, but i don't want to increase too fast again.

I will do his pmps @ 10pmEST. Will anyone be up? Carl used to be my nightowl with me. I miss him!

Lori
 
I used to get the Methyl B-12 at a New Age Wellness store, it was water soluable so I just mixed it into his food.

Some kitties need to settle into a dose and some don't, ECID, we don't know yet which one Copper is yet but I would hate to see you lose the nice numbers he's gotten the last two days either. Just something to think about.
 
Question about constipation. Do you know what i can add to his food to help with it to flow a little easier? He has trouble using the litterbox because of neuro and a hard time pooping holding his back legs up long enough for it to come out. Thought something might help him. Any thoughts on that?

lori
 
Will give a 1.5(fat) tonight and start on higher dose tomorrow am(1.75). Of course depends on amps. I really need to sleep tonight.

Thanks all!

lori
 
AMPS- 204 WOW! That is awesome. I'm not sure to give 1.5(fat) again, so i think i will go with a skinny today since the amps is lower. We shall see. Unfortunetly i can't watch much today and test, so pray he does well.

lori
 
Do you have time to get a second test to be sure he is headed up, Lori? If not, I am sure your skinny 1.5 will be fine. Leave some food out for him.
 
Is it too late to skinny that dose even more? like just a unit? If it is too late agree with Sue...leave out plenty of food. That 9% you have served would be good.
 
Haven't dosed yet. I will check again. I already feed him though. Can't imagine it going lower?
 
The amps was 241 not 204. Sorry, Short term memory problem i guess. I will test again now.
 
If food is only 5-10 minutes in, number might be accurate. 241 should be fine but if you won't be around and will worry, you can skinny up the dose.
 
I feed him about 45min ago. His BG is 260 now. Looks like he is healing on his own. Should i give a 1.2u or 1.0u maybe?
 
OK if it's not 204 that is better. your very skinny u might be nice.
 
Whatever you feel comfortable with. 1.2 sounds good and leave out food. Your skinny 1.5 would be great, I think, if you were going to be around...
 
eeks, I meant very skinny 1.25 u
oh, what the heck. just try a u if it feels good.
I would.
 
You mean 1u? No, i will not be around for the Nadir at all. I will be giving in the next few min, so gone during those critical times. Oh, so glad i posted first. So this is good thing?

lori
 
Yes this is a good thing Lori!!! Copper is healing. He is needing less insulin. Go with your gut. Better safe than sorry. 1 u is likely enuf. Remember how that .5 u kept him steady thru the hypo night? 1u is twice that amout. He will likely go blue today...maybe green.
 
My instincts would of been to give 1.2u, but since i'm not home this afternoon, i went with the 1.0u to be safe. Don't want to go through another hypo EVER again.

Have a great day everyone!!!!

lori
 
Totally agree with your instincts Lori. If I were home I would have gone with 1.2 but not home...hey 1 unit is good. Who knows? it may turn out to be the ticket? I have seen where less is more over and over again here.
Hugs,
Lori
 
Amazed that his neuropathy is so much better today. Not 100% yet, but such an improvement from the last couple of days. Weird
 
Pmps is high @ 384. This is with a food spike. DH fed 1hr before this reading. So about the same as last night. Thought i would go ahead and dose the 1.5u tonight? I'm sure i didn't give enough today, but i just couldn't be home to watch. Will be able to watch tomorrow ok.

lori
 
I think that sounds okay if you can keep an eye on him and leave some food out. PS. Tell DH he is making this job much harder by feeding before testing.
 
Darn, wished i had gotten post before i Dosed 1.5u. I will get up and test @+4. DH didn't know. I told him to feed around 2hrs prior, but he forgot. Oh well. I don't think his spike is too much higher than 40pts, he didn't feed him that much. Do you think he may have a problem tonight with that dose? I will make sure he gets fed every 3 or 4hrs. THought i would be able to sleep tonight. Oh well.

lori
 
Lori I do think you are safe. And that you can sleep thru the night. Perhaps leaving food out.
We see that the 1unit did not do a big lot, so we are starting to see some trends.
I would be able to sleep thru it.
Can you get a +1 or a +2 before bed?
 
Hey Lori! Thanks! Yea i can get a +2. After looking at it more, i probably should of shot a 1.2 because the amps was low and he probably went in the blue's today while i was gone. I think his pmps is high because my DH fed him 1hr before testing. But he didn't feed too much and usually he food spikes by 40-50pts after food(1hr later).i don't know just trying to think through it all and decide. Can't go back now. I might get up around +4 and test him. I don't know though, i'm really tired today after dealing with all the shoppers.

lori
 
Lori what a determined Mom you are! If you can get up go ahead and do it...but it's not looking like a problem waiting to happen. His numbers have been pretty steady. He is leading the dance.
And he looks to tend to be higher at night right?
 
Yea, a little higher. After the hypo, i'm just not sure of anything, but i'm trying. Thanks for the help!!!

His neuropathy was so much better this afternoon before i left. Now he is back to bad. UGH! i guess he is doing well on the lower insulin. Surprised to see him responding so well though. Maybe he did have a break through after all the other day.

lori
 
Sorry, Lori. Didn't mean to scare you and then go to sleep. I thought your 1.5 was fine. It is just better to base your dose on a number that has no food to influence it. Then you can be completely confident in your dose. And leaving food out overnight is always a good idea when you change a dose upward, just as a precaution.

You are really doing well with dosing and reading the signs. We, as advice givers, just err on the side of caution giving you options about monitoring.
 
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