AMPS at 93, should I shot?

Mermelada & Andrea

Mermelada & Andrea

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Hi guys, we have so many changes during this week, mermeladas diarrhea did't cure in spite of his antibiotic shots and medicine so vet thought his RC Hydrolized was the problem, he changed his diet to help him, Merme has been eating just boiled chicken and It seems it's working for him, still don't know how his allergies will react, we needed to cure that bad diarrhea.

But, as expected his BG has been dropping during this diet change, todays AMPS was 93 and I don't know if I should give him his 5U insulin, vet opens till monday, should I give him less dose? None? He ate an hour ago and now is 103
 
How far off can you be in shot time? Can you monitor all day? This shows that a diet change to low carb will help but right now he’s not getting any carbs. Do you have honey or karro syrup? Don’t shoot the 5 units. I will be back.
 
tiffmaxee said:
How far off can you be in shot time? Can you monitor all day? This shows that a diet change to low carb will help but right now he’s not getting any carbs. Do you have honey or karro syrup? Don’t shoot the 5 units. I will be back.
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Shot time was at 8.30 am, just gave him his chicken, at 9.30 was 103, now is 126, and yes, I have honey and condensed milk, also still have some of his hydrolized for ultimate help
 
It’s time to slow down the increases. More about that later. Can you test all day if necessary? I’m having trouble finding help and I will be gone from 11-1:30.
 
Since you don’t have any data on low numbers, as long as he’s not had any ketones, I would skip this shot as you are doing SLGS. SLGS states that when you have little data on how kitty responds to food and the preshot is below 150, skip.

Because he did not drop below 90, I wouldn’t reduce the dose.

I agree with Elise that I would stop the fast tracking and start following SLGS as it is written.
 
I see you did a couple of things at the same time. The increase to 4.5u probably should have been held a little longer, since you started seeing some yellows. And the diet change (no dry) occurred just as you increased to 5u, which can have a significant impact with some kitties.

I think I would skip today and keep testing through the cycle since you now have a pretty good depot and it will continue to affect what happens.
 
When are you going to introduce cat food back? I think I’d stay away from dry and try canned. Has the diarrhea stopped with the chicken? It would be great if she can eat chicken because there are so many choices. Often the diarrhea can be caused by the protein. .
 
Christie & Maverick said:
I see you did a couple of things at the same time. The increase to 4.5u probably should have been held a little longer, since you started seeing some yellows. And the diet change (no dry) occurred just as you increased to 5u, which can have a significant impact with some kitties.

I think I would skip today and keep testing through the cycle since you now have a pretty good depot and it will continue to affect what happens.
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I thought that too about the 4.5 but vet just want me to raise the dose so fast, every time I talk to him, he even wanted to raise by a complete unit, but didn't listen and just raise half like the forum recomend
 
tiffmaxee said:
When are you going to introduce cat food back? I think I’d stay away from dry and try canned. Has the diarrhea stopped with the chicken? It would be great if she can eat chicken because there are so many choices. Often the diarrhea can be caused by the protein. .
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I'm not really sure, since I don't know how his body will react to chicken, I think he has been a little more itching but i'm not sure if it is for the food, stress, mold (with hurricanes we are having a really bad mold time in house) I don't know what food I should give him :arghh: yesterday he didn't pooped at all till today at 5am, it was a little stool with a little more shape (not much tho) than before but very bad smell
 
I think I would skip the morning dose and checking him for the night one, if his numbers are high again it would be ok to shot right?
Anyway If I give his night dose I'll ve checking his numbers and being prepare with my kit

His allergies are subtle but consistent, since the DermVet and bad experience with him, he got bald spots at his legs and belly (never had those before, just belly but not that much than these days) and didn't seem to grow back just growing slow day by day
 
Feeding your cat boiled chicken isn't a nutritionally complete diet. There are certain supplements, like taurine, that are essential for your cat's health.

You might want to try a particular probiotic, S. boulardii, that will help with diarrhea. Several of us use either ReNew brand or Dr. Jarrow's S. boulardii + MOS. They are very effective for diarrhea. You start with about 1/4 of a capsule mixed into food. Increase to 1/3 capsule if there's still a problem and then up to 1/2 a capsule. Do this twice a day

This is a link to information on using either S. boulardii or slippery elm bark for diarrhea.
 
tiffmaxee said:
Definitely no insulin this morning. It was written on one of your threads to skip. Now you follow SLGS.
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Excelent, yes I didn't give the morning dose today, I'll be checking again for the PMPS and will be reading again my threads for any information I miss :bighug: for now I need to get rid of his diarrhea and choose one brand of food so I can get consistent results
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
Feeding your cat boiled chicken isn't a nutritionally complete diet. There are certain supplements, like taurine, that are essential for your cat's health.

You might want to try a particular probiotic, S. boulardii, that will help with diarrhea. Several of us use either ReNew brand or Dr. Jarrow's S. boulardii + MOS. They are very effective for diarrhea. You start with about 1/4 of a capsule mixed into food. Increase to 1/3 capsule if there's still a problem and then up to 1/2 a capsule. Do this twice a day

This is a link to information on using either S. boulardii or slippery elm bark for diarrhea.
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Yes I know chicken isn't the best option but is just for this days (started friday at night), because the vet is suspecting his RC hydrolized was the problem, since all the antibiotics and med didn't work at all

I don't know those brands of probiotics, but do you know if I can find them at walmart? Maybe the ReNew brand could be there but dunno
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
Feeding your cat boiled chicken isn't a nutritionally complete diet. There are certain supplements, like taurine, that are essential for your cat's health.

You might want to try a particular probiotic, S. boulardii, that will help with diarrhea. Several of us use either ReNew brand or Dr. Jarrow's S. boulardii + MOS. They are very effective for diarrhea. You start with about 1/4 of a capsule mixed into food. Increase to 1/3 capsule if there's still a problem and then up to 1/2 a capsule. Do this twice a day

This is a link to information on using either S. boulardii or slippery elm bark for diarrhea.
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Also I was thinking of floratil as a probiotic option, but I wanted to ask the vet first, do you know someone who tried that one?
 
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If you look in the link, they do have a brand at Walmart listed, I believe. The info on the products is toward the bottom of the page. They mention that Walmart has their own brand that's similar to Florastor.

The other brands are often at Whole Foods or you can order from Amazon.

I've heard of Florastor but to the one you mentioned.
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
If you look in the link, they do have a brand at Walmart listed, I believe. The info on the products is toward the bottom of the page. They mention that Walmart has their own brand that's similar to Florastor.

The other brands are often at Whole Foods or you can order from Amazon.

I've heard of Florastor but to the one you mentioned.
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yes! there is a brand at walmart hahaha saw it after post sorry, thanks for all the info
 
Yes, insulin is needed tonight. He’s bouncing from lower bg than he is used to. How long before shot time?

Would you add any tests from today to your spreadsheet please?
 
tiffmaxee said:
So in a little over two hours. Get a PMPS but it looks like you can shoot. As Marje said no reduction earned. Good job testing.
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yeei, thank you so much, I'll be shooting tonight and updating the testings, his diarrhea doesn't seems to stop, the chicken helped him to have little stools but still watery, tomorrow I'll talk to the vet to see what to do next, also I think I'll try the probiotics to see if that helps
 
How long has he had diarrhea? Did it start with the vet food or before? I just went back and saw your first post. One thing you might try is to feed a protein he’s never had before. The food needs to contain only that protein and you need to feed only that protein. One of my cats has two kinds of skin allergies. A protein change has helped but I returned to the old ones too fast ruining several proteins for her.
 
tiffmaxee said:
How long has he had diarrhea? Did it start with the vet food or before? I just went back and saw your first post. One thing you might try is to feed a protein he’s never had before. The food needs to contain only that protein and you need to feed only that protein. One of my cats has two kinds of skin allergies. A protein change has helped but I returned to the old ones too fast ruining several proteins for her.
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He started with subtle soft stool, I think like three weeks ago maybe less, at the beggining vet thought that it was for his diabetes, or some insulin reaction since he was still pooping once a day, and no other symptoms, but didn't go away, he made a coproanalisis (don't know the name in english, poop at the microscope hehe) and said that he had a lot of bacteria mostly bacilus, so he started with antibiotic shots (ceftriaxona) once a day and treda pills (starting Oct 28) for three days at first , I don't know what happend because when he started that his loose stool became bad diarrhea, because he wasn't getting better the vet told me to go again at Nov 3, he made another copro saying he still had a little of bacteria but he was surprice that he wasn't getting better, so they gave him 2 more shots, nov 3 and 4, during all this time he was taking the treda pills and raising his doses of insulin, but still diarrhea, because of that vet told me that it could be his food, so asked me to try with chicken to see how it goes, first day and half he didn't go at all so thought that it could be some improvement, but no, when he pooped was still diarrhea, today he went 3 times, small stool but watery and bad smell, most of the days he went once or twice (most once) but today and another day during the shots he went 3 and 5 times, tomorrow I'll be talking with vet again, but I don't have idea why is this happening
 
tiffmaxee said:
How long has he had diarrhea? Did it start with the vet food or before? I just went back and saw your first post. One thing you might try is to feed a protein he’s never had before. The food needs to contain only that protein and you need to feed only that protein. One of my cats has two kinds of skin allergies. A protein change has helped but I returned to the old ones too fast ruining several proteins for her.
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When I was with the DermVet he made me feed him with boiled rabbit, but he didn't like it at all, and with a lot of other pills (cetirizina, anapsique, some times apoquel), he started to loose so much weight, his fur at legs and belly fell off, vet told me to return to the hydrolized and started to puke all his food when I gave him those pills (that anapsique one was the worst), also started to hate his hydrolized, for some time he ate weird and few bites, was horrible, this was during Sept
 
Bron and Sheba (GA) said:
Chicken is fine to feed as long as you add the supplements.
Have you thought about a raw diet?
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Yes but, here in Yucatan Mex is just imposible to find someone who does that, (I tried) and all the vets I talked about that, didn't recomend the raw diet, since there's is no one who do that here, they told me that is easy to get bacterias from the raw meet, and different scary stuff
 
Andrea Sanz said:
Yes but, here in Yucatan Mex is just imposible to find someone who does that, (I tried) and all the vets I talked about that, didn't recomend the raw diet, since there's is no one who do that here, they told me that is easy to get bacterias from the raw meet, and different scary stuff
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If you don’t want to feed raw you could try cooked chicken with supplements which you could buy online which would make it nutritionally complete.
Also do look at the information Sienne posted about S boulardii and slippery elm bark powder. They are both excellent for diarrhoea.
 
Sorry for the late response have a lot to update to you guys, I started a new job and since I'm just by myself with Merme, everything is getting hard with my times

Thank you so much for everything and I'll be updating my spreadsheet

Merme is fine and we're greatfull
 
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