Amethyst 8/22/2017 AMPS 428

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Hang in there! You just need to find the breakthrough dose. Rex's SS looked identical before I found his dose. Amethyst's breakthrough dose just happens to be higher. :bighug::bighug:
 
Thank you It is just that she has been unregulated since Dec 2016 I was hoping that the Lantus change would work She is not getting any better!!!:(
 
That's not true.
She has started responding.

Insulin is not a drug, it is a hormone.
We can't just give her a pill /or shot and suddenly things get fixed. Her insulin needs will change.
The nice thing about cats is that their pancreas can actually heal over time with this hormone.
But her body has to get used to it, and adjust....

That's why we say this is a marathon, not a sprint.

The bounce is her liver panics and dumps counter-regulatory hormones which causes a bounce. That's the body trying to protect itself
and sometimes it's a welcome thing when they get down below 50.

She has taken a giant step forward yesterday.... and as you continue, she will take more steps.
 
Pamela I'm so sorry I know its scary. I feel the same way you do very often. I just want Beenie to heal. Unfortunately it takes time. As I've been told and have to remind myself all the time they didn't develop diabetes overnight. We are all doing the very best for our kitties. Amethyst is lucky to have you :bighug:
She will get lower, the yellow means you're getting there. Big gulpers add another layer to it for sure but you're getting close.
 
Thank you I am very lucky to have all of you here!!! :bighug: I am so close to ending up in the hospital I have to remind myself to stay strong because she needs me:cat:
 
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Pamela I'm so sorry I know its scary. I feel the same way you do very often. I just want Beenie to heal. Unfortunately it takes time. As I've been told and have to remind myself all the time they didn't develop diabetes overnight. We are all doing the very best for our kitties. Amethyst is lucky to have you :bighug:
She will get lower, the yellow means you're getting there. Big gulpers add another layer to it for sure but you're getting close.
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Did you find that switching to LEVEMIR helped???
 
Pamela & Amethyst said:
Did you find that switching to LEVEMIR helped???
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Yes so far its been a very good switch but that was from ProZinc to Lev. Not sure about switching from Lantus to Levemir. If you look at Beenie's SS you'll see the impact. But also you'll see Beenie and Amethyst had a similar pattern in the sense just flat. We were up to 14 U of ProZinc before the switch. Amethyst is basically doing the same which means to me its just a matter of finding that right dose. Depending on what method you're following I would keep with increases as needed until you start seeing lower numbers....which you will. I started increasing Beenie on ProZinc every 3 cycles because she was running flat. It was clear not too far in she was a high dose kitty and it was just a matter of time before we would get to the right dose. We're still not there yet but have seem improvement with her numbers.
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HI thanks Amethyst has gone from Prozinc to Lantus Jillian at DCIN said that if she reached 6U of Lantus that she should switch to Lev. While being on Prozinc her numbers WENT UP with a higher dose Jillian and I took her down from 4U to 2.5u and her numbers went down But not low enough That is why I was afraid her body was doing the same thing with Lantus the higher the dose the higher her numbers go?? I am confused :oops:if you look at her SS you can she she was doing better on a lower dose?
 
So from what I've read some, not all, kitties may experience some stinging on Lantus when you get up to 6 U or higher. That is the main reason I opted to go with Lev instead. I didn't want to purchase a vial of Lantus and take the chance of it stinging. I wouldn't be able to shoot Beenie if it was hurting her and it would be a huge loss of money having to toss the Lantus out and get Levemir.

I only see numbers in your SS from 7/1/17...am I not looking in the right place:bookworm: So I didn't see Amethyst's numbers on ProZinc other than the 2.5 u dose.
Either way I'm still new to this and especially Levemir. I'm not experienced enough to give dosing advise other than what I've experienced.
I certainly would be confused too if increasing the dose increased her numbers:nailbiting: I think more experienced eyes are needed here.

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I have her other numbers in my notebook. I did not start to post until Chris set up Amethyst SS chart. I keep her numbers in a notebook and then post them here When she was on 4u 2x a day with Prozinc in numbers stayed in the high 400s When she was decreased to 2.5U 2 x a day her numbers stayed in the 300s. I read that some times kitties can receive too much insulin The way you can tell is if their numbers rise with increased doses that is why I am confused right now??:oops:
 
You are testing enough and you just got to that yellow....
She is not getting too much insulin. If anything she may be insulin resistant. It can be caused by holding a dose too long and not getting increases or
it can be because of a high dose condition.....

At this point, getting those tests for high conditions should be on the horizon. Get that appointment.
 
[QUOTE="Pamela & Amethyst, post: 2026601, member: 17101"I read that some times kitties can receive too much insulin The way you can tell is if their numbers rise with increased doses that is why I am confused right now??:oops:[/QUOTE]

Looking at her SS, she doesn't look like a kitty that's overdosed, keep on taking her up methodically as you have been doing, every 6 cycles, until you see blue.

As @rhiannon and shadow (GA) says it seems more probable that there is some insulin resistance at play, when you get those tests done they will shed light on the situation.


Not sure that lev will give you a change in numbers, we have a number of high dose kitties on lantus who don't experience stinging, as others have said the stringing is often a governing factor for the swap to Lev. If she seems fine if he inclined to stick with lantus for now.
 
Hi I know Dr Bonnies earliest appointment was Aug 31 She has to let me know if she can even do the tests. I hate to have to stress Amethyst out with a trip to the hospital so I am hoping that Dr Bonnie our Mobile Vet can do them I also wish it could have been done sooner!!! Thank you for your help:)
 
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[QUOTE="Pamela & Amethyst, post: 2026601, member: 17101"I read that some times kitties can receive too much insulin The way you can tell is if their numbers rise with increased doses that is why I am confused right now??:oops:
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Looking at her SS, she doesn't look like a kitty that's overdosed, keep on taking her up methodically as you have been doing, every 6 cycles, until you see blue.

As @rhiannon and shadow (GA) says it seems more probable that there is some insulin resistance at play, when you get those tests done they will shed light on the situation.


Not sure that lev will give you a change in numbers, we have a number of high dose kitties on lantus who don't experience stinging, as others have said the stringing is often a governing factor for the swap to Lev. If she seems fine if he inclined to stick with lantus for now.[/QUOTE]
Hi Thank you She is fine getting her shots. I just thought Lev would help with her numbers?
 
Pamela & Amethyst said:
Looking at her SS, she doesn't look like a kitty that's overdosed, keep on taking her up methodically as you have been doing, every 6 cycles, until you see blue.

As @rhiannon and shadow (GA) says it seems more probable that there is some insulin resistance at play, when you get those tests done they will shed light on the situation.


Not sure that lev will give you a change in numbers, we have a number of high dose kitties on lantus who don't experience stinging, as others have said the stringing is often a governing factor for the swap to Lev. If she seems fine if he inclined to stick with lantus for now.
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Hi Thank you She is fine getting her shots. I just thought Lev would help with her numbers?[/QUOTE]
 
Pamela & Amethyst said:
Hi Thank you She is fine getting her shots. I just thought Lev would help with her numbers?
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At the moment she looks like you haven't hit that Goldilocks dose, yet, though that yellow was promising.


For now I think k that keep on doing what you're doing, until the numbers tell you otherwise.
 
At the moment she looks like you haven't hit that Goldilocks dose, yet, though that yellow was promising.


For now I think k that keep on doing what you're doing, until the numbers tell you otherwise.[/QUOTE]
OKay Thank you:cat:
 
Hi Pam, you are a great mom to Amethyst, believe it. If Amethyst is Purring, Preening, Playing, Peeing and Pooping than she is feeling fine.

:bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
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