9/9 Elmo PMPS 427+ 2 285 +3 204 + 4 254 +5 216 +5.5 165 +6 156+6.5 163+7 116+ 7.5 67+8 141+8.5 173

Justin & Sebastian said:
Oh good, you did get a later night test last night. Awesome. Kind of a weird wave, maybe he's not bouncing as hard now?
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Good morning , Justin and Sebastian :) He wakes me up to stir his food so I grabbed a test . With him eating small bits thru out the night I'm wondering ab reliability of during the night tests ? Just a thought .
 
Beth 73 said:
With him eating small bits thru out the night I'm wondering ab reliability of during the night tests ? Just a thought .
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Sebastian does the same, free feeds at night. With it being low carb food and just eating a little bit at a time I don't really expect it to throw off the numbers that much. Maybe a little bit at the start or end of the cycle but once the insulin kicks in for the cycle it should be overpowering the food during the middle part of the night.
 
Justin & Sebastian said:
Sebastian does the same, free feeds at night. With it being low carb food and just eating a little bit at a time I don't really expect it to throw off the numbers that much. Maybe a little bit at the start or end of the cycle but once the insulin kicks in for the cycle it should be overpowering the food during the middle part of the night.
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Good to know :)
 
Beth 73 said:
With him eating small bits thru out the night I'm wondering ab reliability of during the night tests ? Just a thought .
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It's fine for him to free feed during the night, but I would pick up the food at +10 so that when you get amps you know the number is not food influenced.

I used an auto feeder for that purpose, I would have it turn and hide the food at +10, that way I would know the PS number was not influenced, probably not too important when he's giving you numbers in high reds and blacks, but more important when you start getting lower PS numbers.
 
@Gill & George Gil, that's awesome that George is 20 !!! Elmo is not a candidate for dentals snd was wondering if George is snd if not what do you do for his guns/teeth ? Or what would you suggest I could do other than pulse antibiotics once a month ( he is currently on 2 weeks of amoxicillin for inflamed gums ...most likely the culprit in our current situation)
 
Beth 73 said:
Elmo is not a candidate for dentals snd was wondering if George is snd if not what do you do for his guns/teeth ?
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Interesting question.
He had a stack of teeth removed 5/15/2018. has just his canines and a couple of other teeth left. (you can see how than went on his ss

The story with that was, his vet said he wasn't a candidate for dental, too old, diabetes, ckd......
He got very ill at the end of april, he was having seizures, liquipoo, runny eyes and sneezing and went completely off his food (he's always had and has a great appy?). Anyways took him to same vet, BW normal for him she wouldn't give him anything, asked me just to monitor him...... he kept getting worse. BG started to go up, and I restarted insulin.
After a few days I had enough of it, and I was starting to suspect his teeth, he wanted to eat but we could see it hurt. so I took him to another vet, he's experienced with cats and locally has a good rep as vet surgeon. So vet diagnosed severe gingivitis, some of his teeth were wobbly, and his mouth smelt bad. He was given AB's for 10 days to clear up infection then he went in. He was under for as long as the vet dared, he worked quickly removing the bad teeth and giving the others a good clean.

Dr M was like well we either sort his mouth out or he'll be dead at the end of the month, so it was a do or die kinda situation, and was also like why haven't you done something sooner, well errr his vet said nothing we can do..... We weren't even given the option of pulsing AB's by his previous vet, I can't tell you how angry I was.

Thankfully he pulled through that and has been doing great. His teeth look clean and he hasn't had any problems with his mouth since, he got the all clear with respects to his mouth a couple of months ago, and Dr M didn't think it was necessary to do anything about the other teeth just at this moment.


Beth 73 said:
Or what would you suggest I could do other than pulse antibiotics once a month ( he is currently on 2 weeks of amoxicillin for inflamed gums ...most likely the culprit in our current situation)
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Have you sought a second opinion?

If we'd been with Dr M from the start we would have never ended up in such a critical situation. He would have done a dental before George got so sick.
Pulsing the AB's as you are doing is an option. But I would investigate with some other vets, I think folk her on the forum have had senior kitties have dentals, their age in itself shouldn't really be an obstacle, however, if he has other health issues, then the risks increase. I'm guessing his hypert, might be complicating things.
 
Beth 73 said:
Next test time suggestions?
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what do you think?

He's pink, flat as a pancake at +4 so does this look like an active cycle?
If it were active, we would have expected to see a downward trend with onset at around +2 and further downward movement by +4.

This looks like a bounce cycle, I suspect he is bouncing of that more than 200pt drop he had yesterday am, he didn't drop very low, but he did drop a lot in that one cycle, enough to elicit a bounce.
Bounce cycle= break for you and your boy.
When I had this I would give George a rest midcycle and grab a test at +10 or +11, just in case he decided to start breaking the bounce just before the next PS. (he seems to be clearing his bounces after 3 cycles/ so tonight he might see some downward movement)
Personally I liked getting that +10 or +11 because I liked to know where his numbers were heading at PS. Was he flat, rising, or dropping.
 
Gill & George said:
what do you think?

He's pink, flat as a pancake at +4 so does this look like an active cycle?
If it were active, we would have expected to see a downward trend with onset at around +2 and further downward movement by +4.

This looks like a bounce cycle, I suspect he is bouncing of that more than 200pt drop he had yesterday am, he didn't drop very low, but he did drop a lot in that one cycle, enough to elicit a bounce.
Bounce cycle= break for you and your boy.
When I had this I would give George a rest midcycle and grab a test at +10 or +11, just in case he decided to start breaking the bounce just before the next PS. (he seems to be clearing his bounces after 3 cycles/ so tonight he might see some downward movement)
Personally I liked getting that +10 or +11 because I liked to know where his numbers were heading at PS. Was he flat, rising, or dropping.
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Many thanks , Gil, for " fighting our corner".... we fellow senior kitty moms need to stick together :bighug: He is being a bit lethargic but also coming in to grab a few bites more often which makes me, as my little nephew says, " very hoppy":joyful:
 
And FYI, Gil, I like your approach of caution.... I am a slow and steady kinda gal...like to ponder , get quiet and give time to make most decisions . I am definitely not a knee jerk kind of person in any area .....except maybe shopping :) ;)
 
My Senior boy has been chasing his whippersnapper civies tonight:rolleyes:

He must be feeling good, I worry about him hurting himself though, silly cat.
Got to go get them all their supper, they're hungry and it's time for bed here.
Night Night.
Hope you can get a good nights sleep. Tomorrow morning is three cycles since his last bounce;) enough said.
 
Gill & George said:
My Senior boy has been chasing his whippersnapper civies tonight:rolleyes:

He must be feeling good, I worry about him hurting himself though, silly cat.
Got to go get them all their supper, they're hungry and it's time for bed here.
Night Night.
Hope you can get a good nights sleep. Tomorrow morning is three cycles since his last bounce;) enough said.
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So so appreciate you giving of your time /wisdom to Elmo and I . :bighug:Makes it extra special that our boys are ab same age/stage in life . Sleep well (what are y'all, 6 or 7 hours ahead ??). Our DD lived in England for several years and I always had to keep track of time difference .
 
Thanks , Amanda :bighug: It's been a bit harrowing after 2 1/2years remission but we will be fine . We have banned the "b" word here at our house ( aka bouncing) ...:woot::joyful:
 
PMPS 427 ....hmmmm... and a great appy ...added in Zobaline today ...had been letting that lag....and Pancake Man rides off into the sunset of today :)
 
Beth 73 said:
Elmo be pancake man today
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Beth 73 said:
Are you back home to " cool" Houston ?
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Yes! Only about 95 here today. Much better!

Beth 73 said:
How is your sweet aunt ?
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As well as expected.

Beth 73 said:
she have family out there ?
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Yes. Her daughter lives only a couple of blocks away but has been living with her the past few months to help her with the chemo for her lung cancer. Her daughter had a quick 5 day trip for her God-sons birthday but she cut it short and is back "home"

Had a dead battery in my car this morning. Niece had her first baby today after 3 days of labor (mama and baby doing good). Found out my stepson is engaged tonight! Been quite a homecoming :eek::p
 
+2 285 ...Giving SQ and Thyroid meds ...what about this drop from PMPS ??? Any thoughts , guidance ? Has Pancake Man left the building ? Mercy :woot: Next test ??
 
So when a + 2 or 3 is same or lower than PMPS , feed 1 t LC and test in 30 minutes ...repeat until see numbers going up ?
 
He's still quite high, its just the large drop that's concerning. The hope is that getting a little more food onboard at this time will help slow him down when the PM shot starts working.

No need to go to every 30mins just yet, usually that's for when he's close to or over the lime green line. He's nowhere near that, and hopefully won't go there tonight.

You hear that, Elmo?
 
Nan & Amber said:
He's still quite high, its just the large drop that's concerning. The hope is that getting a little more food onboard at this time will help slow him down when the PM shot starts working.

No need to go to every 30mins just yet, usually that's for when he's close to or over the lime green line. He's nowhere near that, and hopefully won't go there tonight.

You hear that, Elmo?
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Yah , you hear that Gpa Man ?!?!:woot:
 
So in general how often do you test in a situation like this when trying to slow his roll ?? Not when green headed for lime ?
 
Beth, Nan is right. Elmo is still high enough that you really don't need to resort to testing every 30 minutes based on that 285. However on a night cycle, when the last thing you need is a PJ party, I would check in 30 minutes to see if the food has propped him up or if he is still dropping and how fast. I think he might need more than a tsp to keep him from dropping more but we'll see.
 
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