9/4 Muffin pmps 131 +1 93 +2 84 +3 89 +4 106

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Anne&Muffin (GA)

Anne&Muffin (GA)

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Not happy about this ugly yellow. I was going to take her ambg 15 mins early as she was waiting in the testing room, but when I saw it was 228, I didn't want to put that on her ss (ugly yellow). So I waited the 15 mins and still got an ugly yellow. She hardly ate any of her +8 snack at 530 this morning, she just followed me back to bed. If she goes for 10 or so hrs without eating, could this attribute to higher bgs? This trial is frustrating sometimes. I'll check her again in 3 hrs. I'm assuming someone will tell me if/when we need to give insulin again.

Hope everyone has a great day.

ETA: WCR: She slept with me all night (which is great but rare) Even the dog got out of bed and let her have it all to herself (other than me, of course) which is again rare. She has eaten some breffis, and peed this morning, but she's hanging out in the testing room, looking like she's waiting for me. Maybe she thinks she should have insulin? Rubbing up on things, but no purring this morning, and no playing during the night. Maybe she was just tired and the lack of play overnight is cause for higher bg?
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216

hey Anne

did she eat after +8 overnite?
before your AMBG?

what has she eaten? LC?

Let's see how the day goes, if you can, get a +3 ok?
:YMHUG: :YMHUG:
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216

Ronnie - I will get a +3. She has eaten more after ambg, but nothing else before it since the small amt at +8. She ate her regular dry FF (MEGA carb!) Still unable to get her switched to anything better.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216

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did you try the fortiflora today on wet food?
you used it yesterday on wellness, was that dry or wet?

can you note in your spreadsheet when she eats dry exclusively?

oh on your spreadsheet: that 228 before the AMPB this morning should actually be in yesterday's end of PMBG line on your spreadsheet.

ok, I'm done, lol, let's see how it goes.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216

The wellness is dry and all she does is lick off the fortiflora, occasionally eating a kibble or two that accidentally gets in her mouth. She always exclusively eats dry, except for the occasional chicken chunk. Thanks for the catch on the ss, fixed it now.
 
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I would try getting a +4 too just out of curiosity...to see if that extra hour will bring her down more than the +3 you are getting. Don't know how long it takes the dry to clear the system. That's what I would do...but well, not sure what you are thinking about that.
Come on Muffin...bring that number down girl!
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216

yea yea! Good point Pat. :thumbup

I was just gonna ask for both then! Make everyone happy, lol!

:mrgreen:
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216

This has got to be frustrating the heck out of you! Muffin's pancreas is working. It just can't overcome the amount of carb in the FF.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181

181 3 hrs after eating. Will check again in an hour.

Yes Sienne, it is frustrating. Sometimes I wish I could just starve her into a diet change! BAD mamabean!
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181

Good, I'm glad she came down a bit. Blue looks much better on her than that bright yellow shirt. Sorry that you guys are struggling so much with the food. I wish you could sit down and have a rational conversation and then she herself would toss it. I know you're trying so hard. Hang in there! :YMHUG:
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181

That's about 35 points, right? I am hoping for more of a drop at the +4 hour..
Come on down Muffin...
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181 +112 182

4 hrs after food - 182 big fail. I'm so disappointed.
I guess Ms P didn't really wanna show up for work today :cry:
My only idea I have left to get her on canned food is to not offer FF dry at all and force feed canned and offer wellness dry. I really hate to do that, but it's the only way I can make sure she gets enough food without letting her have what she wants. And it seems as long as she's getting what she wants, she's never going to try anything new. I'm afraid of creating a food aversion by doing that, but I'm at my wits end here.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181 +112 182

((Anne)) Maybe you could post on the Health board and ask if anyone has been there, done that? So many more eyes over there. Someone has to have been in your situation. I know the sinking feeling of having trials go off track. Hang in there.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181 +112 182

You may need to go back to insulin to support Muffin's pancreas until you can get her to transition.

Have you tried the method outlined on the feline nutritionsite?
Or, mixing the Wellness lower carb dry with the FF?
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181 +112 182

it's looking like Muffin might need some insulin tonight. Can you test again about an hour before whatever time you would like your shot time to be? Maybe she'll keep coming down and prove me wrong, I hope so. If she isn't green, I would probably resume insulin at 0.1 unit. You heard me, Muffin, let's see green!

Have you tried EVO Cat and Kitten dry food? Or even DM is lower carb than FF. I've heard that a lot of dry food addicts will eat raw if they won't eat wet. I should see if Lynn/Bear can stop in to visit you, she had a heckuva time transitioning Bear to raw but she finally did. For my dry food holdout, I just kept trying wet foods. He finally ate Wellness Turkey/Salmon. It was a long time before he would eat anything but fishy flavors but eventually he started liking a couple of kinds of FF.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181 +112 182

I've tried everything in that article short of syringe feeding, which I actually attempted once with baby food, but was unsuccessful even getting it in her mouth. When this FD journey began, I was under the impression that Muffin was a free-feeder, but since I've had to pay more attention to her eating habits, I've learned that she really does have "mealtimes" it just takes her longer to eat that meal. She'll graze over an hour or so for breffis and the same for dinner, and rarely eats at other times. I've fed her lately at other times to try to lighten the load on her pancreas of too much food at one sitting. Letting her go 24 hrs without food scares me too, since dx. I can do 12 hrs no problem, but this does nothing to entice her to try something new. That's why the only thing I can think of is to force feed after 12 hrs so I know she's getting something without caving in and giving her FF.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181 +112 182

I posted in health, thanks for the suggestion Janice.
Libby - I tried the prescription m/d dry (of course the vet insisted, and also insisted almost every cat would eat it) and I've tried the EVO cat/kitten dry. The other cats like those, but not Muffin. The Wellness Core dry is the only thing that she doesn't seem completely repulsed by :lol: yet she still won't eat it. I actually have NOT tried the Purina DM - maybe I'll go pick some of that up.

I would like to have her shot time at 9, so I'll get a test at 8pm pacific time. Thanks for all the help folks. :YMHUG:
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181 +112 182

Anne..you certainly are trying a lot...Raja loved her dry too. I wasn't on the board at the time I tried to change her so I didn't realize that most people have a hard time. In my ignorance, I dumped the dry food in the garbage. I sat her down and had a heart-to-heart. I thought it went over very well. :roll:
Then I realized that I was talking to a cat! She just sat there. But she did look as if she was listening to me. I told her that I thought the dry was making her sick and that while I knew she loved it, I loved HER too much to keep giving it to her. Ah,ignorance.

But when I gave them both the canned, she ate it willingly. She even stopped winding herself around DH's legs in the morning as she had always done while asking him to top off her bowl of dry. I was surprised at that! So, I threw it out and didn't think twice about it. I know that to this day, she wold come running if she hear the familiar sounds of it clinking into a bowl..oh yeah..she would BE there!

I started mixing the raw with some canned and they both really like it. I use the Feline Future powder and mix it with chicken. They have an interesting website and there is a bit on transitioning a cat to the raw. It might apply to you trying to get rid of the dry as well. I thought you might want to read it...
http://rawmeatcatfood.com/2010/08/16/pa ... meat-food/

It never occurred to me that they do not recognized a different type of food from what they are used to seeing. It might give you some food for thought..pardon the pun. :lol:

Muffin should call Raja today...we went through our first trial and had to go back to .1u too for awhile.
I remember being so disappointed ...but you know, if they aren't REALLY ready, the OTJ won't stick for very long and then you would have to come back and start all over again anyway. I quicly realized that Raja was having higher than perfect BGs for a reason...and that's why it is a trial...lots of kitties have to go back on the juice for a little while. It's better to give them more insulin so they will have a little more healing time. She will be back to doing beautifully soon enough... :razz:
 
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Have you tried raw. Just give her a little piece of raw chicken next time you cook it. Or even cooked chicken? Someone in Health was having the same problem, she got ground chicken, cooked it and added Feline Future supplement to the cooked rather than the raw.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day 5 ambg 216 +111 181 +112 182

Pat - thanks for that link, I'd not seen it before, and does raise some new ideas and perspectives - even down to the attitude I have about the new food. I printed it out for reference. Locking her in a room is preferable to cramming food down her throat, so I will try that first. :lol:

Ann- I haven't been able to get her to eat raw chicken, although she will sometimes eat a couple chunks of cooked chicken breast. All my cats turned up their noses at the ground chicken, even cooked, I'm not sure why.

Libby - I went on the hunt for Purina DM and had to have my vet order me some, so I'll get that next week. While at the feed store, I saw Felidae, which I remembered being suggested as grain free some time ago, so bought that to try, but now I see on J&B food chart that it's 23% carb. Not sure I even want to bother to try it now.
 
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You best return that....wow...23% ???
Glad you read that. It sounds worse than it is: locking them in a room...LOL...but I thought there were a few ideas like that...and attitude of the Bean ...oh yes, and the idea that they are not used to thinking of that as food. They are really into what they are used to eating. Every little bit helps when you have a situation. Wishing you well. We all know it's difficult.. ((Anne))
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day +118.5 208 Shoot, tough love; both?

Well I was dying to see what she was doing, so this is still 2 hrs before I would shoot, but it's obvious she needs insulin. My question is, if I want to try the tough love approach to feeding, i.e. not serve her FF tonight at all and only offer other food tonight and tomorrow at breakfast, would it be safer to do it without insulin on board? Or should I go ahead and shoot tonight? Since she has to fill her shed again, will it be safe to shoot and have her possibly go another 12 hrs without food after? That would make about a total of 18 hrs without food if she refuses everything thru breakfast tomorrow (which I fully expect her to do) Wait, NO, I have to be confident! She WILL eat some new fuds! Should I tough love her tonight and shoot in the morning? And, just so I'm clear, once I do shoot, we're giving up the trial, right? So keep shooting?
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day +118.5 208 Shoot, tough love; both?

Well I was dying to see what she was doing, so this is still 2 hrs before I would shoot...
Click to expand...

this 208 is a +10 right now?
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day +118.5 208 Shoot, tough love; both?

ok, thanks.

did she eat anything lately? and what?
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day +118.5 208 Shoot, tough love; both?

I definitely wouldn't withhold food if she is getting insulin. I can't really comment on whether it's a good idea without insulin, because I don't know... It doesn't really sound like the best way to convince her the food is yummy.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day +118.5 208 Shoot, tough love; both?

Last time she ate was about 4 hrs ago and it was just a small snack of her regular FF dry. I've since put that away in the fridge and refuse to give her any more until/unless she refuses everything including breakfast tomorrow, unless that is not safe to do.

Now I see your post Libby - I'm not trying to withhold food per se...just withhold FF dry. She will be offered wellness core dry, evo dry, and some canned food, I'm just assuming she will refuse it all and hold out for FF.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day +118.5 208 +119.5 158

I'll shoot in an hour .1 and let her eat FF. She's obviously hungry, but refusing the things I want her to eat. I guess it's better to get her pancreas more healing time than trying to get her diet to change right this minute. The past 2 months havent done anything, I don't know why tonight would either. I did water down some wellness chicken canned and mix in some fortiflora and offer it to her, on a plate, on my finger...she wasn't interested at all, so I wiped some on her paw. She's being so funny right now...shaking off her paw and bringing it up to her mouth like she's going to lick it clean, but then refusing to do it. Stubborn stubborn stubborn, but :lol:
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day +118.5 208 +119.5 158

wow, she came down quite a bit in the last hour. :smile: I suppose that has to do with not eating, maybe?
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day +118.5 208 +119.5 158

maybe that coupled with exercise - wandering around the house looking for something she wanted to eat :lol:
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin OTJ Trial Day +118.5 208 +119.5 158

The canned on the list are 9% &12%, but the newer grainfree should be even less. Or was the felidae you bought dry?

I haven't followed all the things you've tried. What about Fortflora, it has the same digest that they spray on dry food to make cats think it tastes good.
 
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Ann - it was the dry, but I guess I'll take it back and try the canned - I haven't tried Felidae yet.

So she's down considerably in the last 2 hrs, but as Libby said, is possibly due to not eating for the last 6 hrs. So I shot .1u and will get a +1 and as many more as I can before bedtime. No shed, so probably not a whole lot of action tonight, but better safe than sorry. Fed her what she wanted and she'll probably nibble on that over the next hour or so. And she STILL hasn't cleaned the canned food off her paw - oh wait! she's doing it now! :lol: :lol:
 
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She did snack after test - on dry food. It took her about half an hour to eat what I put out at shot time, and I fed more after this test.
 
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hey, muffin...i eat all sorts of canned food...and, well...we kind of resemble each other a bit...and i can't come up with a corollary for that so, try some canned for your bean, okay?

binks
 
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Food in cans? Yuck! Food comes in bags! My bean keeps bringing me some soft squishy stuff...and wants me to eat it! I just look at her like she's crazy. :roll: -Muffin

Thanks for trying Binks, maybe one of these days she'll listen!
-Anne
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin pmps 131 +1 93

Another brown tabby weighs in...

You can do it, Muffin! Just take a few licks and you won't look back. I hope you discover the goodness of wet food....and soon!
~Johnny
 
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Thanks Johnny - I'll have Muffin read this later. I fed her to try and keep her from dropping much more, and what is she doing? She's downstairs playing! *sigh* I dunno what I'm gonna do with her! Probably just cat_pet_icon
 
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Oh, Muffin and Anne--so sorry you're struggling. I know she's going to get the hang of it soon, you're doing great. So close!

You know I sympathize with the dry food addiction. My goal with the wet in the beginning was not neccessarily to replace the dry (and we're not there yet), but to minimize the amount of dry she was eating. This was also why I started cooking her the duck. And I noticed the same thing as you did with Muffin--she had feeding times. So I picked up the dry and cooked the duck before the feeding time then put it back down after an hour or so. If I could get her a little full with 1 tsp of wet that was a little less dry that she would eat. That kept me from getting too stressed about it. And Weeble's been uninterested in wet food and been grazing dry for 15 years(!) so too much change was stressful for both of us.

Can she eat fishy things? Have you tried the Tiki cat brand (http://www.petropics.com/TikiCat.htm)? (They make a chicken with no fish, but it's pretty stinky.) One day she ate Weruva but that was it--one day. Those are the only foods I was able to get Weeble interested on a somewhat regular basis before we started the single protein diet--and just so you know that I know what you're dealing with, by interested I mean she drank the juice around the chicken and maybe 1/2 tsp of the meat. Also, I had a friend with a crazy skinny cat that wouldn't eat much--she went to the market and bought sliced turkey for her cat that he always ate--I mean the good stuff behind the deli counter, with no preservatives or chemicals.

You're doing your best and I know Muffin isn't messing around when it comes to her FF. I know how disheartening it can be, but don't give up! I'm still struggling myself and frankly, might be daydreaming about the easy life of dry food as much as Weeble...
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin pmps 131 +1 93 +2 84

+2 84 Do you want a +3 Libby?

Amanda - Thank you so much for your kind words. I have never tried either the Tiki or Weruva. Where do you get Weruva? I've never heard of it before. Muffin does like cold cuts turkey - maybe I'll get her some from the deli. That's a really good strategy to get her filled up on something else so she eats less dry. I was trying to give snacks of cooked chicken breast, but she seemed to get tired of that. Turkey will be a good thing to try and feeding it before the dry - I like that idea.
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin pmps 131 +1 93 +2 84

I don't know why I forgot to mention this before. It's really a much easier goal that actually seems achievable. I guess I've just tried so many things that the one I had success with gets lost in the crowd.

They usually have the Weruva and Tiki at smaller, independent stores, places where they have stuff like Wellness and EVO. The Tiki is kind of funny they have some pretty serious fish meals going on--sardine cutlets in lobster consomme! She wasn't a fan of that (my fat boy was), but it was disgusting/hilarious (I don't like fish) when I opened the can and there were some real sardines!
 
Re: 9/4 Muffin pmps 131 +1 93 +2 84 +3 89

Ok, great, thanks for the info. I found a place that has the Tiki, but I'll have to keep looking for Weruva.

+3 89 Will get a +4 before bed.
 
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