9/13 Reuben PMPS 324 +1/245 +2/164 +3/96

Status
Not open for further replies.
Alexa and Reuben

Alexa and Reuben

Member Since 2012
9/12 Condo

9/12 Recap

AMPS 222
(+1).....189
(+2).....169
(+3)......124
(+4).......72; 67@4.5
(+5.5).....75
(+6.5)...104
(+7.5)....131
(+9)......157
(+11).....189

PMPS 205

(+1)....159
(+2)......92; 63@2.5
(+3)......50; 53@3.5
(+4)......64
(+7).....117
(+11)....354

**User Error**

Yes, bean fail caused this, one way or another. Reuben had had a miraculous return to (apparently) completely normal health yesterday.
All was well, much more than well.

And then the bean failed.....And Fell.Asleep.On.the.Job (never ever imagining that it could be possible).

So, what transpired between (+4) and (+7) will never be known.

What is known is that when I woke up at (+7) things seemed to be normal. I took the bg reading and all was fine. Then I remembered that I had completely forgotten to give him his medication at shot time, and promptly administered the antibiotic and pepcid, but this time with a syringe instead of in food, as he was used to.

He threw up a while later. Then he ate. And then he went and hid in meatloaf position. Things were going very badly very quickly.

Remembering the long days of illness we just came out of, I quickly administered a 0.1ml dose of bupe. (I knew better than that.)

I had already learned that he does best on smaller doses overlapped of this medicine. He couldn`t handle the higher dose all at once and ended up guzzling water and hanging over the water dish and feeling absolutely miserable for a few hours. Somewhere in there I had the brilliant idea that maybe he might need to use the litter box so I put him in it (it was brand new, just purchased, just installed) and he tried to eat the litter.

:o :shock: ohmygod_smile

A number things can cause this to happen, and in this case I suspect that his acute reaction to the larger (for him) 0.1 dose of bupe, combined with the the ongoing flea problem, which can cause anemia, -(according to my research) - was the cause.

He seems to be recovering from the acute attack...He ate a good breakfast and is sleeping in a very relaxed position right now. His eyes look good, he is moving well and all P's are in place. (Ever vigilant about the prezzie situation I must note that I have not witnessed a gift and have just turned the hiney-cam©leslie back on.)

His numbers today will tell us how quickly he is getting back to normal.

So far we have: AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

If anyone feels they are coming to a different conclusion based on the evidence presented here and any information we may be forgetting, this totally sleep deprived bean would be ever so grateful to hear it.

Also any advice for stabilizing once again, will also be greatly appreciated.

Thaaaaaaaaank Youuu :razz:


----------------------------------------------
Note on the flea situation: We are having a Bruce Willis/Die Hard worthy battle with fleas, caused by a recent move to an area of high humidity and extensive vegetation, coupled with complete lack of experience with this brand of terrorism. We have to wait until the 22nd to re-apply the Frontline, and are hoping that the Adams flea bombs and carpet powder ordered from PetSmart will have arrive for that date (although the fact that they waited 5 whole days to get it out of the warehouse is not encouraging :roll: ). (Edited: It turns out the Adams order is still in the warehouse 1 week after ordering. :roll: )
----------------------------------------------



Meds

Potencil 50mg bid
pepcid 2.5mgbid
bupe as needed (0.1ml 5am 9/13)
miralax as needed.
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260 (User Error)

I don't think you missed anything exciting between +4 and +7. Alexa. Reviewing last night's events, you had fed him at +4 and I don't think the bottom fell out after that. AMPS is just his way of responding to the 50s last night.

Unfortunate on the meds issue this morning, and hoping he gets back to feeling better and normal quickly. These things happen, and late nights at the "dive-in" don't help keep you awake and aware in the morning! Two exciting cycles in one day can sort of wear you out. ;-)

Let him have his bouncy day and try not to worry too much about it. Give him a scritch from me. :smile:

Carl
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260 (User Error)

Carl & Bob said:
I don't think you missed anything exciting between +4 and +7. Alexa. Reviewing last night's events, you had fed him at +4 and I don't think the bottom fell out after that. AMPS is just his way of responding to the 50s last night.

Unfortunate on the meds issue this morning, and hoping he gets back to feeling better and normal quickly. These things happen, and late nights at the "dive-in" don't help keep you awake and aware in the morning! Two exciting cycles in one day can sort of wear you out. ;-)

Let him have his bouncy day and try not to worry too much about it. Give him a scritch from me. :smile:

Carl
Click to expand...

Thanks Carl, I`m glad you agree that nothing exciting happened while I slumbered, and your assurance that this is all in a day`s work is going a long way. :razz:

I feel fairly certain that the high numbers are related more to his temporary ill health than to a liver reaction to the 50 though, as his reaction to going to 46 the other day was nowhere near as dramatic.

Thoughts?

Hope you and Bob and Crew are well and mellow today. :-D

- Alexa
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

On the flea issue. I had moved to this house earlier this year only to find it came with fleas. Adam's bombs worked wonders here. I had to board the boys overnight, and they were de-flead at the vet. Since then, monthly treatments of Revolution have kept the fleas at bay.
The vet gave me a crash course on flea control when I dropped the boys off. She told me that the big thing you want to get fixed is the flea egg situation, because not all the eggs are easy to get rid of. She said that two things help the eggs to hatch.... humidity and vibration. SO before bombing, I opened all the windows for a couple of hours, turned off the AC, and let the house get nice and humid. Then I vacuumed all the carpets to vibrate the eggs. And cleaned the vacuum well right after that.
Then I closed the windows, set off a bomb in each room, and took a long walk on the beach to let the bombs do their thing. I then went home, vacuumed all the rugs and furniture (including under the furniture) three times, making sure to empty the vacuum after each time in case there were still eggs that were not killed by the bombs). It was a really fun day!
When I picked up Bob and Mullet the next day, I also bought some Capstar pills in case I needed them later. It's a wonder-drug for killing fleas on the kitties, almost instantaneously. And a 6 month supply of Revolution. I am NOT going through all of that again!

Carl
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

Hi Alexa,

Sorry about the missed shot and wrong dose of bupe. The shot's really the only thing you had to deal with until you gave the large dose of bupe. Now you have 2 things to deal with but it sounds like he's starting to get over it. You paniced and then made a mistake. We all make mistakes sometimes but when you go into a panic when something happens you only make it worse
. A missed shot will cause one or two days of bad numbers and then he'll go back to his normal so relax. I know it's frustrating.

At this point I have one suggestion. There is no need to test every hour. He's high and probably will not show much action at certain times of the day. You should be able to tell what those times of day are now from all your testing. For instance: +1, +5 depending on +4, +7 depending on +6,+8&9, +11-all with the potential to be skipped depending on what the other numbers show you when he is running higher numbers. This would allow him to rest more and possibly get over it faster.

Melanie & Racci
Have a good rest of the day!!
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

I had a situation similar to Carl's when I had the flea problem only no one told me that the golf course I lived on at the time was full of fleas so when we walked our dog or he ran out in the backyard he was just bringing more in! I never used Capstar. Carl, is Capstar something you feed them or put on them?
I did use the Adams carpet powder and the Adams cat powder for afterwards also though to make sure the eggs were covered. They also say to do the whole process again in 2 weeks to get any that hatch but I always just continuously kept using the powder for a month or so.

Melanie & Racci
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

MelanieAndRacci said:
Hi Alexa,

Sorry about the missed shot and wrong dose of bupe. The shot's really the only thing you had to deal with until you gave the large dose of bupe. Now you have 2 things to deal with but it sounds like he's starting to get over it.
Melanie & Racci
Have a good rest of the day!!
Click to expand...

Hi Melanie, Thanks so much for all your great advice and support :razz:

There was no missed shot, just falling asleep for 3 hours last night and not testing. So all he is recovering from is the little bupe overdose, and meds delivered undiluted. He could come back fast. Or not. He's the boss!

Oh and thanks for helping me put down the ear poker... let`s see if I can actually do it though.. hahaaa

Hope you and Racci are having a great sunny day!

Alexa
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

Carl & Bob said:
On the flea issue. ... ///........I am NOT going through all of that again!

Carl
Click to expand...

Oh gosh, I am so glad you told me about your experience with the fleas! Thank you so much!! I`ll just do exactly as you did, and also add in Melanie¡s experience with the golf course fleas and fumigate the garden. There should be enough sunny weather in Sept to choose 24 hours out of to make the attack.

Do you apply Revolution once a month now? And have you needed the Capstar pills yet?

I`m starting to really look forward to this. We're on 4th sequel of Die Hard over here and the popcorn is getting stale... :lol:

Alexa
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

MelanieAndRacci said:
I had a situation similar to Carl's when I had the flea problem only no one told me that the golf course I lived on at the time was full of fleas so when we walked our dog or he ran out in the backyard he was just bringing more in! I never used Capstar. Carl, is Capstar something you feed them or put on them?
I did use the Adams carpet powder and the Adams cat powder for afterwards also though to make sure the eggs were covered. They also say to do the whole process again in 2 weeks to get any that hatch but I always just continuously kept using the powder for a month or so.

Melanie & Racci
Click to expand...

Great advice and information, I`m just soaking this up, THANKYOU!!

Okay i have to fumigate the garden too, I guess maybe I`ll hire someone to do it. I got enough Adams to do the house twice, or, do as you did and juust continually use the powder for a month.

Darn, I just saw that you used cat powder-.-- I didn`t order any of that. ohmygod_smile

Thanks again Melanie!

Alexa
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

Hi Alexa,

I could have sworn you said you missed the shot! I'll have to reread and see why I thought that. Sorry! That's good news then. Not testing would not have made him high. He's high just from bouncing and/or not feeling well and should get over it by tomorrow since he already is coming down.

I always give myself and Racci a break when she's running high. I have a lot of history behind me but there are a lot of times that just aren't worth testing since I've found them not to be informative with Racci. Of course I know that because of testing originally. For instance 8 & 9 are typically hours when there is very little movement, just a slight upward move. A 10 or 11 is much more informative and I prefer a 10 because it gives me a chance to change things.

Melanie & Racci
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

Hi, Alexa,

I agree that you didn't miss much, if anything, by falling asleep. It looks to me as if he just continued to rise.

Sleep deprivation will certainly affect you, but try not to be hard on yourself. I'm glad he's okay now. You are doing a great job under the circumstances!
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

Alex,

You might not need the cat powder. I had a dog at that time too going in and out so she was constantly attracting new fleas. Do your cats go out? If they go out, you will want something for them probably in case you see another flea afterwards. You'll want to be able to act on it right away. The Frontline may be enough, I just always go for overkill. I didn't want to go through that again. My dog was allergic to fleas and it was a nightmare! I'm sorry I forgot to tell you about the cat powder. You can't use the Adams house powder on the cat unless they've changed the formula since I last used it.

The garden is really easy to do. I forget what kind I got but all I had to do was hose the grass down so it was wet, then sprinkle these pieces of flea killer over it and hose it again. That was it. I did it again 2 weeks later and the fleas were fine after that. I don't remember any more problems.

Melanie & Racci
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

Melanie,
Capstar is a pill/tablet about the size of an asprin. You just get them to swallow it. Within 30 minutes, adult fleas start dropping off their bodies like magic! It's amazing to see, but sort of gross at the same time (Did all those fleas come off my cat!!!???) It says it works for 24 hours, and it will kill the adult fleas, but won't help with eggs. The best thing about it is that if you need to, you can give it to them several times a week. Clinics use it apparently whenever an animal is brought in that is loaded with fleas (especially if they are being boarded) so that they don't have repeated outbreaks at their place. Bob and Mullet were given one each the day I boarded them, and another one the next day when I brought them home.

http://www.capstarpet.com/

I have not had to use the pills I bought that day, but I still have them ready if/when needed! They're cheap too, only 2-3 dollars per pill. Much cheaper than bombs and powder (although to do the job right, you still need to bomb to kill the newly hatched fleas and the eggs). They sell doses for cats/small dogs, and also for large dogs.

Carl
 
Re: 9/13 Reuben AMPS 373 +1/331 +2/260

Thanks Carl! I'll definitely keep that in mind and make a note of it. This way if I ever need it again I'll know what to get for immediate relief. It sounds great! I imagine a clinic or kennel would really need something like that but if Alexa had some handy it really would have helped Reuben now while waiting.

I'll go check out the link and maybe pick some up. Thanks again.

Melanie & Racci
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top