9/09 Butters AMPS 101/+6 50/+6.5 68/PMPS 50/+1 85/+2 117/+3 112/+4 108/+6 122/+8 126/+10 158

Butters & Lyla

Butters & Lyla

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Yesterday Long surf day. Butters ever so briefly and just barely kissed a shark. It was a bounce breaking cycle, and Butters may not hold reductions well anyways, so I opted to not reduce immediately and instead count it as 1 of 3 x below 50 needed before earning a reduction.

Overnight last night: 211 @+2.5, 139 @+7, 104 @+11 :confused:
I thought she'd be in a big bounce for at least 2-3 cycles, but it seems she may have other plans.

Have a lovely day/evening, all.

ETA: I delayed her PM shot yesterday by an hour, and she still did not rise that much and came back down quickly (for her).
 
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Beautiful start today! Let's see if she makes her way to the lagoon for another wonderful day of surfing!

You guys did a great job yesterday - let's go for Day 2! :woot:
 
So far:
+1.5: 113 Fed 1 tsp LC
+2.5: 97 Fed 1 tsp MC
+3.5: 88 Fed 1 tsp MC

If she slides down more at +4.5, I will probably be switching to HC.
 
She had a nice surf going on MC for a little while. Now it feels like I'm back to just doing whatever I can to keep her over 50.

Was I supposed to start with the HC sooner? This feels like so much of a guessing game. I don't know what I could be doing differently.
+2.5: 97 Fed 1 tsp MC
+3.5: 88 Fed 1 tsp MC
+4.5: 81 Fed 1 tsp MC (mainly gravy)
+5.5: 58 Fed 2 tsp HC (mainly gravy)
Will test again @ +6 and probably give additional HC. At least she still seems willing to eat.
 
+6: 50 Fed 2 tsp HC (mainly gravy) plus 1/2 tsp syrup.

I didn't reduce yesterday based on what Sue and Wendy discussed in my condo. I stand by that decision, but it sure looks like she wants that reduction. If she dips below 50 my tentative plan is to reduce by .125u, which Wendy mentioned as a possibility.

I'm open to any and all feedback and suggestions, though! I feel like I'm throwing a bunch of stuff to the wall and watching to see what sticks. :)
 
thebigfuzz said:
I don’t think you did anything wrong... it seems to be going well :D Loving the 2 days in a row of greens!

Surf it Butters :D:D:D
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I can't seem to slow those drops from the 80s to the 50s.

And with that 50 @+6, it is amazing how quickly things turn from going well, to me just stuffing my cat full of carbs and her doing nothing with them. :rolleyes:
We'll see what she has in store for me at +6.5.
 
Don’t forget - these lovely green streaks are exactly what you want :D

the more she sees them, the more she heals, which means the more she will see them, etc. :D

it seems when they come down, they are determined to do it anyways...Cosmo hung onto his greens/blues the other day on super high carb and kibble :eek:
 
She eavesdrops. :rolleyes: Try harder, Butters.:p She hasn't yet dipped below 50 today.
+6.5: 68 Fed 1 tsp HC + 1/4 tsp syrup.
I want her to heal...and well, I also want to try to get out of the house for like, three hours. Is that too much to ask? lol.

thebigfuzz said:
Cosmo hung onto his greens/blues the other day on super high carb and kibble :eek:
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That was an amazing day for him, though! All that healing. :)
 
+5.5: 58 Fed 2 tsp HC (mainly gravy)
+6: 50 Fed 2 tsp HC (mainly gravy) plus 1/2 tsp syrup.
+6.5: 68 Fed 1 tsp HC + 1/4 tsp syrup.
+7: 104

Looks like I still have some work to do on finding a balance between giving too many vs not enough carbs.
 
JaxBenji said:
Still surfing! Go Butters! Good job, Lyla! And look at that mini bounce last night. Jax does this but saves his lagoon party for the night!
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She normally does big in-your-face bounces. Maybe Jax is teaching her his moves? No problem, as long as he doesn't show her how much fun he has during those PJ parties.
 
Something to think about is when you got the 68 - maybe if you had withheld food at that point for an hour (could do a spot test midway to make sure you were holding?)
 
thebigfuzz said:
Something to think about is when you got the 68 - maybe if you had withheld food at that point for an hour (could do a spot test midway to make sure you were holding?)
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Good point. I should have withheld at that point.
I think I should've just trusted myself with what I did yesterday and stuck to a similar regime: I withheld food more often, gave more LC, and she surfed for so much longer than she did today.

ETA: Actually, I used lots of MC & some HC yesterday, but later in the cycle.
 
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Butters has come back down since the carb-fest. I checked her @ +10 she was 103. I fed her 1.5 tsp LC then.
At PMPS she is 65. A huge drop.
Currently stalling for 20 minutes.
 
I know 65 is shootable. I don't know that I should shoot with what is a falling number. I'll wait for the 20 minutes, no food. But if anyone has some advice or thoughts, please let me know.
 
Okay, so...just tryin' to reason this out.
I could delay for at least an hour, maybe two. (delayed by one hour last night). If I delay by two, I could feed her a little more right now to see if that helps bring her up. She has already eaten so much today.
I could skip.
I could shoot the falling number. This is not sitting well given the huge drop between +10 and PMPS.

Shouldn't the insulin be starting to wane? Where is my rise?
 
FWIW, tonight looks super similar to your AMPS from 9/01 and 9/03 - Butters was in the lagoon for awhile in the ending cycle (from previous day PMPS to those AMPS).

I'm sure one of those more experienced folks will come on soon :bighug:
 
I've read the low numbers sticky. I know Butters tends to have a late nadir. But I am not sure it is the best idea to shoot when she is dropping so much.
Argh.
 
I think right now I keep stalling without food as per sticky.
But I remember someone saying recently there was too much stalling without food and kitties were falling lower because of it. But I think that's my best option for now.
 
Maybe after you decide, you could think about the reduction again rather than making her earn it again? It looks like and based on all the carbs/syrup you had to feed her that she may have earned it.?
 
So this is what I read: Test often (every 15-20 minutes, or at most every 30 minutes). You want to catch the rise the minute it starts. With most of our cats, once they start to rise they will really zoom. You want to get the insulin in as soon as possible, because it will be another 2-3 hours before the insulin kicks in and you don’t want to let the cycle get too far ahead of you.

You can wait again...test again...see how low she's going...decide then. The minute you see a rising number you can shoot...then you'll be testing later tonight...

Are you up for a late night? Prepared? Plenty of strips, MC/HC food and karo syrup?
 
One option to consider if you are not wanting to reduce the dose is to skip the shot tonight. That will help drain the depot and tomorrow you will be able to see what Butters is really doing on this dose and if she needs a reduction. It may give you a break tonight, but the numbers will still need to be monitored for at least a little while.
 
thebigfuzz said:
Maybe after you decide, you could think about the reduction again rather than making her earn it again? It looks like and based on all the carbs/syrup you had to feed her that she may have earned it.?
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I'm wondering this, too, if I shave it down by .125u.?
carfurby said:
One option to consider if you are not wanting to reduce the dose is to skip the shot tonight. That will help drain the depot and tomorrow you will be able to see what Butters is really doing on this dose and if she needs a reduction. It may give you a break tonight, but the numbers will still need to be monitored for at least a little while.
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I need to understand more about this. I like the idea if it wouldn't throw her off too much. I finally just got her into good numbers.
 
Butters & Lyla said:
I need to understand more about this. I like the idea if it wouldn't throw her off too much. I finally just got her into good numbers.
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If you skip, her numbers could go up by morning and maybe tomorrow. However she should get back on track quickly. It's up to you. If you don't want to risk her numbers going up, you can shoot a reduced dose. That could make her numbers higher too. It looks to me like she wants a reduction.
 
JaxBenji said:
Recently, that was Jax :) Here's the post from Wendy on my condo.
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actually this was the post I was thinking of when I mentioned about continuing to stall without food! I remembered seeing this, and actually it was why I fed Butters some LC @ +10. It didn't help keep her up.

I'm feeling like I should shoot a reduced dose and take a .125 reduction going forward...that's what I'm thinking.
 
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