7/16 UPDATE...Monoject and Terumo Syringes

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Marje and Gracie

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Previous condo: Monoject vs Terumo Syringes

For those of you who use Monoject syringes (and many do), you may or may not have noticed issues such as inaccurate markings. This is not an issue just with Monojects...they all have them. But lately, the problem has been that the needle no longer extends down all the way through the hub into the insulin. I don't know if this is occurring in all lot numbers but Ella/Rusty and I have gotten several different lot numbers with this problem. The result is that the plunger side of the needle ends up in the hub and draws insulin out of the hub :eek: :shock: And it varies....so you never really know how much insulin is going in the cat.

I ordered some Terumo syringes from ADW Terumo syringes, U-100, .3 cc, 31g, 3/8" needle, 1/2 unit markings
The Terumo barrels are much more narrow than the Monojects and trying to figure out how the doses equated from one syringe brand to another, especially considering the hub issue with the MJs, was difficult at best.

Then our own MJ (Donovan) came to the rescue and sent me an adjustable micropipettor. 10 microliters on the micropipettor is equivalent to 1u. This allowed me to determine the exact amount in what was marked as 1u on the MJs. What I found was similar to our MJ's findings....1u as marked on the MJ syringes varied from 14 - 15.2 microliters or 1.4 - 1.52 units :shock: :shock: I tested several MJ syringes and the majority came out as the 1u actually being 1.46u. The Terumos were actually more accurate: 1.5u on the Terumos was actually equivalent to 14.6 microliters or 1.46u...very close. I was then able to measure an equivalent dose between the two syringes (and I ran it many, many times using several syringes of both brands).

There were several Terumo syringes in the box where the zero line matched up perfectly with the needle side of the plunger when the plunger was gently pushed in. I measured how many mm are in 1u and 0.5u on the Terumo. Anyone can use this info if you are going to switch to Terumos and use a caliper to dose because I checked almost 1/3 of the Terumo syringes in the box I had. There are 1.52mm in 1u and .76mm in 0.5u; which is PERFECT!! (.76 x 2 = 1.52). So if you are using the Terumos, and you get five drops to .5u, then divide .76 by 5 to arrive at 0.15 mm/drop. (Likewise, there would be 10 drops in 1u; 1.52mm/10 = 0.15mm/drop).

Yes...it took a lot of time. I worked on it about three hours each on three separate days. I'm sure our MJ could have breezed through it faster but I was so appreciative of the loan of the equipment. I think I have the dose translated as closely as possible....could there be some fine tuning needed?? Absolutely. Nothing, especially the human factor, is without error. And now the guessing is out of my dosing using the calipers and out of how much insulin is in the hub and getting into Gracie on any given shot.

I hope this helps. I'll try to take some pictures and add them to this condo on where I am measuring to/from on the Terumos.
 
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Kudos to you, Marje!!

Now I shall have to try to overcome my number/math phobia!

Thanks so much for taking this on. I'm definitely going to switch to Terumos

Ella
 
marje, what an enormous task - and thank you for doing it. as long as the syringe markings vary, this is a huge help. i would think it's especially helpful for those kitties who seem so sensitive to just a drop's difference in their dose.

i like the terumos because of the way the plunger slides so easily. the last box i have seems to be pretty much 100% accurate on the plunger lining up with the zero line. that hasn't been true of all of the boxes, but this current box has been great.
 
Hey Marje,
One more question: did you use any of the "perfect" Monojects in your trials? (the ones where the base of the needle comes all the way down to the zero line?) I'm curious about whether or not these "good" ones also came out so that 1 Unit was really more like 1.46 U. I can send you what I consider to be a "perfect" MJ if you would consider doing an additional measurement with the micropipettor. But maybe you've had enough! :lol:

Ella
 
Ella

I have only one of those MJ syringes left from an old box where the needle comes all the way down. For you....I would put myself through the extra torture again :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'll try to find some time to do it for you tomorrow.

You and Julie are both welcome. I do think you'll like the Terumos.
 
Ella

Because you are so special and dear to my heart, I pulled out all the micropipette equipment again and took my LAST remaining MJ syringe where the needle came down through the hub to the zero line (like they used to). While it was a "perfect" syringe in terms of the hub, the zero line was actually a little higher than it should have been.....that's why I had it. It had just been a sample syringe to show where a dose was but I didn't use it because it was off.

With the micropipettor, 1u measured 0.95u in the micropipettor. And I made sure I expelled all the insulin. The syringes I used to do my conversions for the Terumos all had the zero line similarly off. So you can see that the difference was what was in the hub.....basically 0.5u of insulin in the "new" hub where the needle doesn't go down to the zero line. So the old syringes were more accurate because they weren't allowing much, if any, insulin from the hub to go up the needle.
 
Marje, you are such a good friend to drag out all the equipment again to help me out!!! This is just the information I needed. As I said this evening in Rusty's condo (where I first read your report on the "perfect" MJs), I'm going to send you a box of cimmamum cookies if you will PM me your address. Tobey is permitted to have some, too, as long as he doesn't eat the whole box!

Thanks again!

Ella
 
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