6/20 Mouzer Day 6 pmbg 71

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

6/19 Mouzer

Day-6
ambg 81/1.5 oz lc/bsg 0.3ml
+10/ 1.5oz lc

pmbg 71/1.5oz lc/bsg 0.3ml
+3/1.5oz lc tl fud 6oz


OK - Counting hours is not going to work any more hahaha We are into the 100's and my gray hairs get twisted all up inside my brain, trying to count. I have managed keeping the majority of the gray hairs tucked away inside my brain, so I see no need to give them any reason to start populating the top of my head, any faster than they are trying to do so

Mouzer is doing his four P's - Peeing, Pooping, Purring, Perky
I thought he might would eat 3oz but he didnt. The products I have ordered, in hopes will help with the stomatitis, should arrive today, I am not positive on that though. I need them to get here because Tommy Cat is in horrible pain, far worse than Mouzer. I cant let them go on in that kind of pain for long. I may end up having to rush Tommy Cat to the vet and allow the depo shot and I hate that so much. Mouzer is not as bad off as Tommy Cat, so I am hoping this product will at least help with Mouzer's stomatitis. We are having great rainy days. I got a little mowing done yesterday but I have to go try to do more today, before the rains get here. And I am going now! You all have a great day!

 

[Osha]

Sending vines for Tommy Cat and Mouzer to feel better. I hope your products arrive today.

I hope the rain holds out for you so you can get the mowing done!

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

Sending vines for Tommy Cat and Mouzer to feel better. I hope your products arrive today.

I hope the rain holds out for you so you can get the mowing done!

I am so tired from pushing that mower through wet high grass, I almost think it might be best to rain before I get there. That way I have excuse for no mow!!
I hope Osha does great today!! I was just peeping around over there in Osha's condo --- do we call these condos as in kitty condos? I finally had to ask somebody LOL

 

[Osha]

I am so tired from pushing that mower through wet high grass, I almost think it might be best to rain before I get there. That way I have excuse for no mow!!
I hope Osha does great today!! I was just peeping around over there in Osha's condo --- do we call these condos as in kitty condos? I finally had to ask somebody LOL

I am not sure why we call them condo's, but I like the idea of thinking them as a kitty condo. Learning the language here does take some time. This post does help to learn some of our language. http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/lantus-levemir-land-slang-dictionary.1903/

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

I am not sure why we call them condo's, but I like the idea of thinking them as a kitty condo. Learning the language here does take some time. This post does help to learn some of our language. http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/lantus-levemir-land-slang-dictionary.1903/

Someone did give that link to me and I see it in my bookmarks! It must have been while Mouzer had me going non-stop and I forgot to take time to go look at that. I have to get out of here now but I will use that link as my relaxing newspaper this evening hahaha I dont read the newspaper lol I find something else to read instead

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

Well poo

I have one kitty in dreadful pain. I am using an oral product for it and also I smooth coconut oil on his gums throughout the day to help ease some pain, and he cant eat. And Mouzer is picking and choosing when he will eat. And the two products I ordered wont arrive until tomorrow and I can only hope they help. I think, with my getting these two products, one has stated warning in regards to using it with steroids, I am going to tell the vet, I am using such n such product and steroids cannot be used with it .... and she needs to use something else for pain and inflammation, and see what she has to say about that. I did read you are not to use bupernorphine for long term, so I am not sure what can be done about that.

 

[Gill & George]

Sending vines for Tommy

Mouzer is looking good

 

[Marje and Gracie]

Well poo

I have one kitty in dreadful pain. I am using an oral product for it and also I smooth coconut oil on his gums throughout the day to help ease some pain, and he cant eat. And Mouzer is picking and choosing when he will eat. And the two products I ordered wont arrive until tomorrow and I can only hope they help. I think, with my getting these two products, one has stated warning in regards to using it with steroids, I am going to tell the vet, I am using such n such product and steroids cannot be used with it .... and she needs to use something else for pain and inflammation, and see what she has to say about that. I did read you are not to use bupernorphine for long term, so I am not sure what can be done about that.

I used buprenorphine at a very low maintenance dose for three years....twice a day....with no side effects other than my Gussie was free from arthritis pain.

If you are really worried about it, you can pulse dose it. In other words, give it for a few weeks, then give a short break, and then give it a few weeks. It’s not like a steroid where you have to wean them off it slowly because you should only be giving a small dose. If you were giving a larger dose for a few weeks, then it would be better to wean off slowly.

I hope you can get some relief for these sweet kitties.

 

[Wendy&Neko]

Bummer on the kitty pain. Neko also took buprenorphine for three years for her arthritis and acro pains, with no problems. It was a QOL game changer for her. She took a moderate amount for her size. Dose is a range, based on weight.

Mouzer's numbers look good, and I see you are doing better with your testing problem.

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

I used buprenorphine at a very low maintenance dose for three years....twice a day....with no side effects other than my Gussie was free from arthritis pain.

If you are really worried about it, you can pulse dose it. In other words, give it for a few weeks, then give a short break, and then give it a few weeks. It’s not like a steroid where you have to wean them off it slowly because you should only be giving a small dose. If you were giving a larger dose for a few weeks, then it would be better to wean off slowly.

I hope you can get some relief for these sweet kitties.

Yeah - The vets call themselves pulse dosing when they send me home with an antibiotic lolol which does not work for stomatitis kitties. Or well it might work for one month but not going on for more. I didnt read the side effects to buprenorphine. I just read it wasnt for long term use and I did not know why. I am afraid it would have to be a high dose to help stomatitis. The inflammation will have to be addressed at the same time and I can only hope any of it works.
It might be ok low for Mouzer, being as his stomatitis doesnt act up as bad as Tommy Cat's, but Tommy Cat is in real bad shape right now and I am hoping what I have ordered will do something because I am sick of dealing with veterinarians and their idocy in this and that is just being bluntly honest about them and what I have had to go through just trying to help these cats. My heart is hurting so bad for my Tommy Cat. It is so sad and all I can do would be to rush him to the vet and for the vet to even try something new that is not steroid, will be trial and error and my Tommy Cat has to suffer the consequences. It breaks my heart.

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

Bummer on the kitty pain. Neko also took buprenorphine for three years for her arthritis and acro pains, with no problems. It was a QOL game changer for her. She took a moderate amount for her size. Dose is a range, based on weight.

Mouzer's numbers look good, and I see you are doing better with your testing problem.

As long as Mouzer stays in greens and lower blues I wont worry so much but I dont feel this is something to be just ignored because he does have inflammation in his gums and from what I have read, that can aggravate diabetes and cause him issues again -- either that or if I cant find a way to help him without steroids, his diabetes will act up again. And the fact he is struggling to eat is not making this a comfy issue to think I can lower how often I test and trust he isnt having an issue before am or pm test. I hate this stomatitis for these babies. It is a horrible thing to have to deal with, a horrible thing to have to watch them in such pain and even more horrible that the vets dont know what they are doing with it.

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

Sending vines for Tommy

Mouzer is looking good

So far is good for Mouzer but I am concerned about his eating lack. I finally talked him into eating 1.5 ounces at 4pm today and I really preferred he didnt eat at 4pm cuz test is 6pm but I guess it will be ok. I got in from mowing, around 2pm or so, and began trying to get him to eat and he would not. And he didnt eat a 3oz brekky either!! I am so worried this is going to cause his diabetes to act up. I did read, once a diabetic always a diabetic, even in remission, control must be maintained. So, this is ringing out in my brain, over and over and over!! Once an alcoholic always an alcoholic - I see this with my sister - control must be maintained - meaning never touch another lolol
And I do believe once a coffoholic - always a coffoholic - I am one of those lololol And I aint trying to control it either
If you know a better word for coffee o holic - let me in on it hahaha I grabbed the first thing that ran across my brain hahaha

 

[Tricia Cinco(GA) & Harvey]

Since Serryn hasn't answered any of the tags about her experience with Stomatitis, I went back and pulled up some of her posts. Don't know if any of this will help you, but thought I'd share it just in case. I really hate to hear how your poor babies are suffering.

I found slippery elm bark gel was often very useful in getting Vyktor to eat with his stomatitis. Take 1 packed tsp pure SEB and 1/2 cup cold water, whip it with a fork or a whisk, put it on the lowest heat and simmer for 1-2 minutes (stirring constantly) until it thickens slightly. Store in a jar in the fridge for 7-8 days. If he wouldn't eat I'd give him a 3ml syringe of the gel (he didn't hate the taste so didn't fight about it) and try again about 15-20 mins later. It wouldn't work everytime but often it was like magic.

*Do not give SEB 2 hours either side of other medications as it can interfere with their absorption.

Vyktor takes chamomile as part of his stomatitis treatment. I brew the tea with the you beaut german flowers and then use the tea to make up his slippery elm bark gel (also for his stomatitis) the chamomile is an anti-inflammatory and is also supposed to have some effect as a pain killer. Giving it in the SEB helps it to hang around in his mouth longer - Also his most problematic area is the fauces which is right in the back. Who knew chamomile was also a blood thinner!

Here are a couple of links that Sienne posted for Serryn a few years ago. Don't know if you've already seen them:

http://www.winnfelinefoundation.org...5/05/tooth-extractions-and-stomatitis-in-cats

http://www.winnfelinefoundation.org...ion/2011/10/11/treatment-of-feline-stomatitis

Has full tooth extraction been considered? Cats do amazingly well without teeth. My Cinco had no teeth due to resorption, and he ate with no issues.

Another thought I had was, have you tried giving Cosequin? It is an anti-inflammatory, so maybe it would help some.

I'm just grasping at straws here, trying to come up with something to help!

BTW, congrats on Day 6!

Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer!

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

Since Serryn hasn't answered any of the tags about her experience with Stomatitis, I went back and pulled up some of her posts. Don't know if any of this will help you, but thought I'd share it just in case. I really hate to hear how your poor babies are suffering.





Here are a couple of links that Sienne posted for Serryn a few years ago. Don't know if you've already seen them:

http://www.winnfelinefoundation.org...5/05/tooth-extractions-and-stomatitis-in-cats

http://www.winnfelinefoundation.org...ion/2011/10/11/treatment-of-feline-stomatitis

Has full tooth extraction been considered? Cats do amazingly well without teeth. My Cinco had no teeth due to resorption, and he ate with no issues.

Another thought I had was, have you tried giving Cosequin? It is an anti-inflammatory, so maybe it would help some.

I'm just grasping at straws here, trying to come up with something to help!

BTW, congrats on Day 6!

Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer! Go Mouzer!

LOL I cant think of her name right off but I am goin to call her Texas Gal heehee I have to go look at her name - but she mentioned sippery elm bark and I have seen it used but I read it is for irritable bowel so have not been sure it would work for stomatitis. I guess any anti-inflammatory for any ailment would do its thing all over the body, including the mouth???

Sadly, FME is the first thing considered for stomatitis but I dont have that kind of money. It needs to be done by a veterinarian of denistry and I have two kitties needing FME - for both of them, it will cost six to eight thousand dollars, at the low end cost. I couldnt raise the money for the first one with stomatitis and have had to go the long term more expensive route with those steroid shots and I hate it but no money up front, so this has been the only thing I can do. I am trying to find something that is not steroid.

I just searched Cosequin and am looking to find it in drops but so far capsules and tablets. I wonder if I could open a capsule, mix it with water or with that tea and syringe it in. Right now, nothing is going into Tommy Cat's mouth, unless I put it there myself - he cannot even drink broth!! I dont know what I am going to do! He cant eat and cant take the broth now either. I need something for his pain and inflammation and fast! I dont want the depo shot! As for Mouzer, I am getting him to eat some and some of this can be placed into food but I need to be ready for the syringe because I can never know when ok this is the time he isnt going to touch the darn food.

Those two links you gave are part of quite a many links I printed out and took to the vet we used to have and he would not even look at it and when I began telling him the information in those links, he quickly, and with his tech joining in, laughed me off with saying, you can read anything on the internet. They made a complete joke of me for searching information on the internet. Our new vet has already laughed at my stating how it is all over the internet that depo-medrol can cause diabetes, as she declares it does not and a cat can have depo and prednisone for their entire lives, with no consequences.

For the chamomile tea ... do they mean to get this stuff here?
Frontier Co-op Organic Chamomile Flowers, German, Whole, 1 Pound Bulk Bag
https://www.amazon.com/Frontier-Org...rman/dp/B001VNGN9C/?tag=felinediabetesfdmb-20

I dont see slippery elm bark gel -- I have found a powder. There is diferent mg's though and I dont know what to get

Thank you on Mouzer's day number but with this stomatitis, I am not feeling very secure about his diabetes remaining calm.

Edit To Add: I just found my Texas Gal I was talkin about lol - LizzieInTexas

 

[Tricia Cinco(GA) & Harvey]

I wonder if I could open a capsule, mix it with water or with that tea and syringe it in.

I don't see why not. I opened the capsule and mixed it in my cats' food, so mixing it in water should be fine. It won't hurt him and it could help.

You don't buy Slippery Elm as a gel - you buy powder and make a sort of slurry with it. I think Serryn just made it a little thicker so she could rub it on the gums. @Marje and Gracie is very knowledgeable about SEB, so I'm sure she can tell you exactly what to look for. I just know it needs to be pure with nothing else in it.

For the chamomile tea ... do they mean to get this stuff here?
Frontier Co-op Organic Chamomile Flowers, German, Whole, 1 Pound Bulk Bag
https://www.amazon.com/Frontier-Org...qid=1497999989&sr=1-2&keywords=chamomile&th=1

I assume that would work. Just keep in mind it does have blood thinning properties, so make ask your vet if there is any reason why either cat shouldn't have it.

Why is it that every treatment our kitties need to make them feel better is so darned expensive? It just doesn't seem fair.

 

[Ella & Rusty & Stu(GA)]

(((Cherryl))), I can't help you with Tommy Cat's and Mouzer's stomatitis issues, but am thinking good, healing thoughts for both of them. I hope the new meds will help.
Lots of healing vines for your boys!

p.s. I think we call our posts "condos" because it is a friendly thing to visit each other's condos.

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

I don't see why not. I opened the capsule and mixed it in my cats' food, so mixing it in water should be fine. It won't hurt him and it could help.

You don't buy Slippery Elm as a gel - you buy powder and make a sort of slurry with it. I think Serryn just made it a little thicker so she could rub it on the gums. @Marje and Gracie is very knowledgeable about SEB, so I'm sure she can tell you exactly what to look for. I just know it needs to be pure with nothing else in it.


I assume that would work. Just keep in mind it does have blood thinning properties, so make ask your vet if there is any reason why either cat shouldn't have it.

Why is it that every treatment our kitties need to make them feel better is so darned expensive? It just doesn't seem fair.

hhmm I hope what I ordered is right lol I am over here digging my behind deeper in debt trying to help poor Tommy Cat...
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B003AYEHLQ/?tag=felinediabetesfdmb-20

And so I guess I have wasted my money because I am not asking my vet jack poopy poop - so, if I should not give this stuff to Tommy Cat because of blood thinning, then I guess this goes in the trash like so much of my money has gone into the trash trying to help with this stinking stomatitis. I hate this. The vet I have at current hasnt even seen Mouzer yet and I dont like that she just treated my Tommy Cat to have one week and two days of relief --- I am so sick of having to deal with veterinarians. They dont know their butts from a hole in the ground and you cant tell them anything because oh they went to school, they know it all pppppfffffftttttttttt
If I ever get without an animal, I wont help any more and I wont have any more because of the veterinarians. I dont want to deal with them any more. I am so past sick of dealing with them and their degrees in stupidity that they are so proud of.

And every treatment for the animals is so expensive because idiots have gone and paid for a degree that someone obviously just handed to most of them so to get them out of their school and these idiots are all about money and couldnt care less about the animals, no matter how they will fake out as if they care. They care so much they will let them die right there if you dont have all of the money up front for them. They will just watch my Tommy Cat suffer this horrible pain he is in and do nothing about it unless I have the money up front and all they know to do is to shoot them up with steroids.

I am very upset right now. I am in such heartache watching my Tommy Cat suffering and I am grasping for straws wanting to help him. It is killing me. The pain in my heart is so great. I am heart broken.

 

[Red & Rover (GA)]

You can get slippery elm bark in bulk at a health food store. If not in bulk, then look for the capsules at the health food store or some drug stores (it would be in with the vitamins and minerals). Make sure the only ingredient is slippery elm bark.

The bag on amazon is huge. If it's not too late, you could ask for a return.

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

(((Cherryl))), I can't help you with Tommy Cat's and Mouzer's stomatitis issues, but am thinking good, healing thoughts for both of them. I hope the new meds will help.
Lots of healing vines for your boys!

p.s. I think we call our posts "condos" because it is a friendly thing to visit each other's condos.

Thank you for good healing thoughts - I wish such thoughts could really work haha
And I had to laugh at the visit to each other's condos lolol you couldnt pay me to live in a human condo haha
I think I will call mine the kitty condo - because I would live in one of those

 

[Cherryl & Mouzer]

You can get slippery elm bark in bulk at a health food store. If not in bulk, then look for the capsules at the health food store or some drug stores (it would be in with the vitamins and minerals). Make sure the only ingredient is slippery elm bark.

The bag on amazon is huge. If it's not too late, you could ask for a return.

The Amazon bag is a pound. I dont go to stores. And I dont order stuff and turn around and say oh I dont want this lol
I am not that type of perosn. I oredered it, I will eat it and trash it. I dont do returns unless I get damaged product.