6/2 Baco PMPS 90 no shot!

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Wow..great numbers...maybe Baco is getting tired of having insulin shots.(anti-jinx) Fingers and paws crossed that his numbers continue
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Thanks!!!
Well i'm wondering what I should do if these numbers stay like this. Because she is (in my opinion) too low to shoot so she doesn't get a shot from me if she is like this. But her numbers after ps (without a shot) stay the same or even dropping lower, indicating that Mr.P is doing his job...
So i'm curious too what you all think about this 'no shot' routine below 170-180?
She doesn't seem to need insuline when she is in these kind off numbers and Mr.P is working, so I don't find that I have to bring her lower if she does the work by herself... Do you know what I mean?
 
Oh and I can tell you that Baco is getting tired off all the shots and monitoring... She even (when I grab her ear) put her paw up like 'please don't i'm getting sick off you testing me all the time human' hahaha:p
 
My take on this is that Baco is calling the shots right now. The mid blues are not bad, especially if she brings herself down from them without insulin. However if she can't keep herself in good numbers then she would need a little help with some insulin. I really can't say what number should be at the top of the "no shoot" scale but I am sure the other Prozinc people will be on later and offer some better insight.
 
What do you mean with 'Baco is calling the shots right now? ' i'm not native haha so sometimes I don't get it ;)
 
This is all super, Ruby. I think what @Tuxedo Mom (Mary Ann) means it that Baco's need for insulin can change at any given cycle. While this is all really super that she is responding this well to the insulin, eventually, the no shoot number will have to get lower so that she will be in normal numbers without a shot ( 40-120)

And having said that, you will have plenty of time to help her into those nice green numbers when you are with her for those 3 weeks. I really think that is when lots more progress will be made. This is all good.!
 
What would you suggest (when i'm home) to make the no shot number @Bobbie And Bubba ? Because you are saying to lower it? I can monitor this PM cycle. I think I have to lower it because otherwise she sticks to these (also nice) blue numbers I think.
Maybe 150? And what should I then give her, the dose I mean?) 0.10?
 
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I talked to my vet just now because I was doubting her #.
I asked her what she thought about Baco being between 100 and 180 and she said that a 'normal' cat is between 50 and 180. So Baco could be a cat that is on the 'higher' side of being in the normal range of #. She told me that if I would give drops now her body could panic because maybe Baco isn't used to these lower numbers (lower than 100) (even before she was a diabetic) why would I bring Baco down more if it isn't neccesary to get her lower? She is in the normal range from what my vet says. 180 is the max for a normal cat, and she isn't going over 180. So I think it's best now for her to just let her 180 be the no shot limit and we will see what her # do. Mr.P is working I can see that! So he's not willing to bring her lower than 100 (on it's own)
She is not considered a diabetic being below 180 (that's what my vet told me) so why should I risk getting her lower then needed?
I think that Baco will drop lower on her own when she will lose the weight. Because she is still not skinny, so I think that my focus needs to be on her losing the excess weight.
I would like to hear your oppinions on this.
 
Ruby&Baco said:
I would like to hear your oppinions on this.
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Baco ha not given you a shootable number yet after 3 skipped doses of ProZinc . Hmmm. So my opinion is ...... someone I know needs to pull those "patience pants" out of her wardrobe - and put them on! :p;):bighug:
 
Ruby&Baco said:
I think that Baco will drop lower on her own when she will lose the weight. Because she is still not skinny, so I think that my focus needs to be on her losing the excess weight.
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I think this is smart thinking, Ruby. In the meantime, enjoy the extra rest & recreation time this provides you. And when you see a shootable pre-shot number again, you can give her a reduced dose when that happens.:)
 
Ruby&Baco said:
What would you suggest (when i'm home) to make the no shot number @Bobbie And Bubba ? Because you are saying to lower it? I can monitor this PM cycle. I think I have to lower it because otherwise she sticks to these (also nice) blue numbers I think.
Maybe 150? And what should I then give her, the dose I mean?) 0.10?
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I'm not sure what that number should be if at all. Maybe it's me that needs to wear the patience pants and I might be talking with my "Lantus Brain" For now, Baco is doing really well with the doses you are providing. Let's see what @Sue and Oliver (GA) , @Robin&BB , and @Rachel think about lowering the number when you are home with Baco for those 3 weeks in between your old and new job. I might have talked out of turn.

Yeah no shot again!
 
Ruby, you might check out some of the spreadsheets in the remission thread. People have done this OTJ process aggressively and not aggressively. I personally think the results are usually the same.

You give the kitty time to lower herself, with the help of her awakening pancreas, giving tiny amounts of insulin when she reaches your target number. The question is the target number. Some people use 180, some 150-160. I think either range is doable, as long as you can monitor and deal with a number that is too low. BUT you mentioned that the situation in your life is complicated right now with your BF needing your attention.

How about continuing with 180 for now. Isn't your vacation time coming up? I like Bobbi's idea of maybe changing things then. If she is still seeming to need that more agressive push then, and if having more time will make your life simpler with your BF, maybe consider lowering the target then or chasing the target (we have talked about this - testing until she reaches your target and then giving that tiny dose and monitoring. It is likely to be completely off 12/12. Some of the spreadsheets in the remission thread reflect this approach)

As always, you need to do what works for you and your life. There is no right answer; only the one that works best for you and Baco.
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
Some people use 180, some 150-160. I think either range is doable, as long as you can monitor and deal with a number that is too low. BUT you mentioned that the situation in your life is complicated right now with your BF needing your attention.
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Well I can try 160 IF i'm home to monitor but what should I give her then? @Sue and Oliver (GA) @Robin&BB
My BF does understand but he's sick himself so finds it hard, but because Baco is giving me NS moments already for almost 3 days in a row, I can be with my BF more now and I can get myself a good night sleep ;)

BTW her PMPS is 90 HOW CRAZY IS THAT!
NO SHOT THIS PM!:D:D:D:D:D:D

btw will make a new thread tomorrow at AMPS time okay?
 
Well, Ruby ... it is a little early to be thinking about what to shoot - IF she ever goes back up again:p - but that said, you could try shooting 0.10u if/when Baco reaches a pre-shot # of 160 and you monitor her closely when you do that. And then, if she continues to show you a shootable pre-shot # the next cycle, you could slightly increase the dose at that time.
 
Robin&BB said:
Well, Ruby ... it is a little early to be thinking about what to shoot - IF she ever goes back up again:p - but that said, you could try shooting 0.10u if/when Baco reaches a pre-shot # of 160 and you monitor her closely when you do that. And then, if she continues to show you a shootable pre-shot # the next cycle, you could slightly increase the dose at that time.
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She will require close monitoring when you do this "fine-tuning" because you also now have her on a weight-loss plan, so her need for the ProZinc may also start decreasing as her weight gets closer to the target weight you want her to reach.:)
 
Robin&BB said:
Well, Ruby ... it is a little early to be thinking about what to shoot - IF she ever goes back up again:p - but that said, you could try shooting 0.10u if/when Baco reaches a pre-shot # of 160 and you monitor her closely when you do that. And then, if she continues to show you a shootable pre-shot # the next cycle, you could slightly increase the dose at that time.
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Well than I know that if she reaches 160 again sometime I can give her 0.10 IF i'm home yes ofcourse!


Robin&BB said:
She will require close monitoring when you do this "fine-tuning" because you also now have her on a weight-loss plan, so her need for the ProZinc may also start decreasing as her weight gets closer to the target weight you want her to reach.:)
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And yes I have to monitor her like a hawk! hihi :p Well she gained already some weight...... so I guess this 7,06 OZ is still too much.. little piggy!

here is her wieght loss sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oVZ92O-Clk9zPqOGFkRmgyAzwAVcewOeYMUMrPxspm0/edit#gid=0
 
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