5/28 Trixie PMPS 119 +2 96 +4 73 - Thoughts on seafood?

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Amy&TrixieCat

Amy&TrixieCat

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I continue to be aggravated and frustrated beyond words with these numbers. I thought we had our breakthrough last week, but it was very short-lived. I gave Trix a teeny increase on Sunday evening, but so far, no big excitement from that. In the past, Wellness always made her numbers wacky, too. I was hoping that they'd at least be better than they were with the Paw Lickin', but they really aren't.

And speaking of Wellness....I don't know if you guys recall that last fall, my vet mentioned that her practice was seeing an increase in the number of cases of urinary crystals with cats who were eating Wellness. Well, yesterday, my nephew told me that his young cat (less that 2), has been having issues with crystals - and he eats Wellness. He eats a 50/50 mix of wet and dry, all Wellness. And, HIS vet, who is a completely different practice in a completely different town from my vet, noted the same thing - that they are seeing an increase in cats Wellness who are developing urinary crystals.

This makes me nervous again, and was the final straw for me last fall - even though Trix wasn't eating Wellness at the time, Mario and Frankie were. I swore I would never bring the stuff in my house again...I have just had SO many issues with this food. But when Trix's numbers started going crazy on Paw Lickin, I caved and decided to try Wellness yet again. Now, I'm not sure what to do...her numbers are still bad, her dose is way up there, and between the customer service nonsense, and this crystal issue, and my past experiences with Wellness...I just don't know. I do not trust this company at all, but I don't know what other food to try at this point, given our situation. But I am going to begin searching yet again. Maybe I'll end up back at Paw Lickin...she loved it, and it's not Wellness with all its associated crap.

It's back to work for me today....have a great one, everyone!

Amy
 
Re: 5/28 Trixie AMPS 267 +2 179

Come on down Trixie! I'm so sorry she is having such un-Trixie like numbers Amy. I know how frustrating it is and how much you worry. ((((Amy)))) I really hope it breaks soon. That is really scary about Wellness. We have never used it since Tarragon turned his nose up at it. Thank goodness! He is prone to crystals anyway so that would not be good.

Have a great day today!!
 
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Hi, Amy, I'm so sorry about the frustration with her numbers and food (and now wellness possibly creating crystals? great. :-x ).
That +2 looks promising, though. She looks really good in blue.
I hope you guys have a good day today!
 
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No surprise, she's surfing now. She usually does level off after +2.

The Wellness thing is just another annoyance. I swore I'd never touch the stuff again after last fall, when my vet reported this problem to me. And she had contacted the company, who gave her a nasty run-around - much like they've given members here with regards to the texture differences. I do not like this company at all. And now, my nephew's cat and vet reporting the same issues. I just don't know....I hope I can come up with another food, but I don't know.

Back to work...
 
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Hi Amy, little Mags is running about the same numbers as Trixie today. I guess they must have texted each other. :lol:
On the serious not, thanks for bringing up the issue of the Wellness foods and the crystals and now another Vet. Oh boy, Mags really likes Wellness, but only the firm texture one made in Canada. She says yuck, yuck on the fluffy one made in the USA/. Now I'm not sure what to do, as I sure don't want her getting another UTI. I do have good ole Cowboy Cookout which she half likes these days.
So sorry, Amy, about the constant increases in juice and no effect. Have you mentioned this to the Vet to get her thoughts?
Come on Trixie and strut some nice numbers for your MamaBean.
 
Re: 5/28 Trixie PMPS 119 - Thoughts on Seafood?

Well this PMPS surprised me...sometimes a little whining is as effective as a dosecrease threat :lol: !

I haven't talked to my vet about the increases. To be honest, she's a great vet, but everyone here - myself included - knows more about FD than she does. She told me she was going to leave dosing decisions to me.

Trix is behaving like Trix...no signs of being "off" in any way, shape or form. It hasn't been that long since her last visit, and the need for increases started immediately after I began messing wit her diet. She was eating Wellness when she was diagnosed (95% canned, with a few kibble treats), so I'm not surprised she doesn't get great numbers with it. She never did have great numbers with it, even early on. Any time I switched her off Wellness, then back on, her numbers would go haywire. The only foods that kept her in good numbers were EVO (which she hates), FF Chicken Pate and Purina One (both of which are now too high in phosphorous for her). I guess she is just very, very carb and specific food sensitive.

One thing I haven't tried is switching her over to an all-seafood diet. I don't know if that's a good idea, though...I don't know if that would provide her with enough variety, from a nutritional perspective. Thoughts, anyone? Any input would be appreciated.
 
Re: 5/28 Trixie PMPS 119 - Thoughts on seafood?

I had thought that the bigger issue with seafood was mercury, but I was told that the biggest problem with seafood is phosphorus. Have you seen Dr. Lisa's chart that sorts by phosphorus content? You might find some seafood flavors that are "below the line" on phosphorus and carbs...

http://catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPhosphorus9-22-12.pdf
 
Re: 5/28 Trixie PMPS 119 - Thoughts on seafood?

Amy, cats in the ASEAN region live on seafood diet. They were fed on seafood dry knibbles & or seafood canned. We were not aware of the mercury issue till recent years. In my home we basically have seafood diet for my gang too.
I think changing to a seafood diet might cause tummy discomfort to Trixie , so if you want to try , must do it very slowly. Rosy's having Wiskas chicken & salmon, Wiskas chicken & turkey, both are Australian made. I also fed Ziwipeak & Nature Variety. We don't have much choice on LC here.
 
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HI Amy. Sorry I have no advice about food. I'm another one with feeding problems. I've tried different low phos foods, and always end up back at FF. Now I'm seeing that the gravy ones give Checks diarrhea.

Just here to say "hello" :smile:
 
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Carl & Bob said:
I had thought that the bigger issue with seafood was mercury, but I was told that the biggest problem with seafood is phosphorus. Have you seen Dr. Lisa's chart that sorts by phosphorus content? You might find some seafood flavors that are "below the line" on phosphorus and carbs...

http://catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPhosphorus9-22-12.pdf
Click to expand...

Carl - I had an e-mail convo with Dr Lisa a few weeks ago. She told me that particular chart is not quite up to date, and her other chart is more current.

BFF foods are both LC and low phosphorous...I know those off the top of my head. And Trix likes at least some of them. I've fed them as part of her rotation, but I've never fed JUST seafood for an extended period.

I SO wish I could go back to FF, but I'm really trying to keep her phosphorous down at this point, because of the early kidney issues.

I will go slow if I make the switch. Of course I just bought 2 cases of Wellness last week :roll: !....
 
Re: 5/28 Trixie PMPS 119 +2 96 - Thoughts on seafood?

Figured I'd better grab the opportunity while I can....we haz green :mrgreen: !
 
Re: 5/28 Trixie PMPS 119 +2 96 - Thoughts on seafood?

Hi Amy,

It looks like Trixie is making a statement!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Go Trixie.

I have read that fish shouldn't be fed more than twice a week. Don't know what to say about the Wellness. Is there a suspicious ingredient there that can be isolated?

I hope that you can solve the food dilemma. Rusty really enjoyed his Paw Lickin' Chicken today (he had snubbed it last week, so I had stopped feeding it). I think it smells really good.

Thanks for visiting us,

Hugs and scritches,

Ella & Rusty
 
Re: 5/28 Trixie PMPS 119 +2 96 - Thoughts on seafood?

Hi Amy,
glad the numbers are coming down.
Mine doesn't like Wellness either.
The avoderm smells just like the paw lickin' chicken brand to me....

Have you tried these 3 brands? ( number at the end was the phosphorus value)
3% - Nature's variety Instinct Grain free Chicken – 302
3% - Nature's Variety Instinct Grain free Beef – 248
2% - Nature's Variety Instinct Grain free Lamb 262
1% - Nature's Variety Instinct Grain free Duck 191
0% - Nature's Variety Instinct Grain free Venison 330
? - Nature's Variety Instinct Grain free Rabbit ?

1% Avoderm Swordfish in consumme 271
0% Avoderm Tuna & Prawns 278
2% Avoderm Tuna % chicken w/ veggies 241


4% Natural Balance Catatouille (stew) 274
0% Natural Balance O'Fischally Scampi 244
2% Natural Balance Sea Brulee 297

Melanie and Racci..... she could only get Racci to eat seafood varieties....
mercury is an issue....

perhaps if you bought human quality tuna and mixed it in with whichever one you want Trixie to eat more.... that would get her to eat the one you want her to eat....
the human quality tuna is far better quality than any of the one's they put in pet food.

just my tho'ts.....
 
Re: 5/28 Trixie PMPS 119 +2 96 - Thoughts on seafood?

Hi Amy- nice to see green tonight!

Wish I could help on the food thing.... Wellness was one of Mannie's in foods way back before he started having health issues, that and merrick. Off the top of my head I can't remember what the phosphorus was on the merrick. We never had any problems with the wellness... i dunno, maybe just lucky I guess. We ended up feeding alot of FF, after he had a bout with Giardia, as he stopped eating wellness altogether. anyways... not to sure how helpful that it. Not too sure on the all fish diet either. I did feed Mannie alot of it, but alternated days with poultry. The Merrick line by nature is alot of fish.

Wishing you much luck.
 
Of course she's having a much better surf tonight, after my whines.

It's actually not that Trix doesn't like Wellness - she loves it. It's me. I'm not happy with the company; with their customer service; with the reports I'm hearing about the increase in urinary issues (now from 2 different vets in this area); and the fact that her numbers aren't super-stable on it. There aren't many foods that Trix doesn't like (such as EVO), but now with trying to find the combo of carbs and phosphorous for her, and her bizarre response to most foods that are supposed to be low carb (ie, many of them seem to drive her numbers up, and at this point, her dose is way high at 5.00 Units), I'm just kind of at my wits end.

I was just thinking of maybe trying the BFF foods as her only food for a while, just to get away from Wellness, which I swore I would never ever bring into my home again several times already, but I keep getting forced back to it. Now, with my nephew's cat becoming one of the urinary stats, I'm nervous about feeding it...even more so than I was before. But, I wasn't totally comfy with going to an all-seafood diet, so I was curious to know what others here had to say about it.

Argh. I'm sick of this being so complicated.
 
I've heard that another reason some people avoid seafood, is that once some cats eat seafood, they'll never eat anything else. A rotation of proteins is good for variety and in case of allergies.

Interesting on Wellness on UTIs. I remember when you first posted that. I wonder if it's the dry Wellness that's the issue. My civie got FLUTD and the vet thought it might have been the Evo dry he was getting (1/2 wet, 1/2 dry at the time) as she had seen Evo dry causing problems, plus I had another friend whose cat got UTI eating Evo dry.

Pretty greens tonight Trixie. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
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