5/25 Billie PMPS 329 +2 293 +3 272

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Deanna & Billie

Deanna & Billie

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Good morning! I hope everyone is enjoying the weekend!

Yesterday's condo: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=119238&p=1246843#p1246843

Edited: Earlier, I was like 20% concerned that I had a fur shot, but after seeing her +2, I'm pretty sure I did not!

I am trying to get Billie to eat more before her shot and at +1, +2 and +3 like Wendy and Marje suggested. I have found that she gets bored of cat food after her first feeding, but she will always eat as much boiled chicken as I put in front of her.

What are your thoughts on raw food? I was talking to someone at the pet store about Billie, and she recommended Nature's Variety Instinct raw bites to use either as treats or as a meal mixed in with wet food. I know that some cats here eat raw food, and I'm wondering if that might help Billie to get in more meals early in her cycle. I want her early drops to be less drastic so we have less bouncing going on.

Hugs to all the cats!
 
Re: 5/25 Billie AMPS 240 +2 156 +3.25 122 +4.5 217

Another bounce. We started to see some lovely numbers, then up she went! ohmygod_smile
 
Re: 5/25 Billie AMPS 240 +2 156 +3.25 122 +4.5 217

i've never fed raw food, but the best way to get your question noticed is to use the ? post icon (above your posting a reply window) and to put something like "raw food?" in the subject line so it will shot on the main page.

the people that i have heard talk about feeding it are happy with it. some people make their own and I think there is a recipe on the http://www.catinfo.org site.

Bouncing is common - hang in there! Hopefully when you get to a better dose and have consistent green nadirs it will lessen.
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS 240 +2 156 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 try raw f

Thanks Julie! I just edited the post. Whoa, huge bounce at +6. She's all the way up at 387 now - her highest ever. I'm guessing that could be related to bouncing, NDW or both. I just caught her in the litter box with a ketone test strip, and it came up negative, so that's good.
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS 240 +2 156 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 try raw f

I feed China the Natures Variety Frozen Raw Chicken Medallions and I couldn't believe the difference it made in her! Her coat is thicker and softer than it's ever been and she really loves it!

They have new Raw bites too, but China won't eat the bites as well as she eats the medallions for some silly reason!

The medallions used to say they were for both dogs and cats, but now they're not listing the medallions under "cat food", so I'm going to have to look into it a little further, but since she won't eat the bites formula, and she's been eating the medallions for quite a long time now, I'll probably just continue to feed them (unless I find out there's a good reason they're not listing them under "cat foods" anymore)

They also make some good canned foods if Billie likes them.

Hope you find something Billie will like and can slow down those big drops she's having! You might try feeding a higher carb food at Pre-shot if you haven't already tried that--see if it'll slow her down some
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +2 156 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 ra

Hi Chris!

Thanks for the information! I will try giving her some higher carb food for her preshot meal. That sounds like a good idea. We have Merrick Turducken which is 9% compared to 2% like most of her food, and she loves it, so maybe that will help a bit.

I will also give the raw bites a try maybe at +1 or +2 to see if she likes them. The very helpful salesperson who took care of me at Benson's Pet Center mentioned that Nature's Variety has started to separate their formula into separate batches for cats and dogs. She said the ingredients are the same, and it is only a change in advertising, so China's medallions won't be changing as far as I know!
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +2 156 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 ra

It may be short notice to ask this question, but would it be okay/a good idea to shoot at 10 instead of 10:45 since she is high?
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 early sho

yes, given that she's high i think that's fine. are you going to be able to test afterwards? it would be a good idea to get a +2, just to see where she's going.
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 early sho

Thanks Julie!! Yes, I will be able to test for sure, and I can do a 10AM shot tomorrow to stick to the 12 hour cycle.
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 early sho

sounds like a good plan!

if you want a little light reading, the Shooting and Handling Low numbers sticky has a couple of comments in there about shooting early. Shooting early can give you a little overlap between the last Lantus cycle and the one that you're shooting, which can lower numbers sometimes and smooth out numbers.
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 early sho

Neko is also on raw food, but it's a brand only available in Canada. And the only one that would give me the As-Fed numbers so I could figure out the carbs. Some manufacturers will put less carbs in their cat products than their dog products, so it'll be interesting to see what Nature's Variety does. Some have no veggies in their cat product so it becomes very low (0-1%) carb and not a good solution if you want to give Billie a bit of carbs at the front end of the cycle to slow down the drops. Nature's Variety does sell sample packs so you can just buy a little bit and see how she likes it.

The other thing is to try some different proteins and see if it sparks her interest. Neko loves all foods, but my civie really likes the venison and kangaroo over the poultry. For some reason, some cats seem to like red meat better than white meat. Maybe mouse is red meat? :lol:
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 early sho

I'd love to try kangaroo but haven't found any that wouldn't cost more to ship than the food itself costs!

I still think it's a little weird that you have kangaroo in Canada....LOL
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 early sho

Thank you Julie and Wendy!!

No matter how many times I read those stickies, I miss something! I am re-reading all of them and definitely not for the last time :smile:

I really hope her numbers smooth out. I gave her some Turducken (9%) as a preshot meal, and just offered her some of the Nature's Variety raw bites. She ate a little bit but was not too impressed. According to Dr. Lisa's chart, they only have 1% carbs, so it sounds like they won't help with the early drops.

What percentage of carbs would be best for a pre-shot meal considering her dives? I don't want to go too high of course, but I'd love to help her numbers drop more gradually.

I will also try some different flavors. I have never tried venison, but she usually likes beef. She is especially in love with dairy products, which makes for easy bribery. I have been sprinkling parmesan cheese on her food when I want her to eat more, and I got some vanilla ice cream to keep in case of a hypo emergency. I also have FF with gravy as a high carb emergency food, but she can be picky with cat food. When I eat ice cream, she literally tries to climb into the bowl!
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 early sho

You'll just have to experiment and keep good records, Deanna!

This is one of those ECID situations so the only way to find out if it'll help Billie is through trial and error

Good luck with the fuds experiments!

China didn't think much of the Natures Variety at first either, but I'd mix a little Fancy Feast in and gradually reduce how much I was mixing in until she was eating just the raw. Maybe that would work for Billie too
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 early sho

This is going to be one of those things you'll have to experiment with to try out. Probably depends on how carb sensitive Billie is. Often people take the preshot meal and divide it into 3 mini-meals - at preshot, +1 and +2.

Take notes in the spreadsheet on what you do and give each thing you try at least 3 days or so. Some people put an * in the cell where they've fed.
 
Re: 5/25BillieAMPS240 +3 122 +4 217 +6 387 +10 335 early sho

Her +2 is 293! No crazy drop! :smile: I'll try the Turducken again in the morning. Maybe this will work for us! Thanks again for the suggestion, Chris! I will keep track of what she is eating before shots on her spreadsheet.
 
Re: 5/25 Billie PMPS 329 +2 293

When Gracie was on Lantus and did some big dives early on, not only did I front load her cycle but I front loaded the front load :lol: So if she got, for example, 2 oz in the a.m. cycle, she would get .75 oz at PS and +1 and then .25 oz at +2 and +3. But....this is another area where it is definitely ECID.

You just have to experiment with the carbs and when you feed them and what it does for her BG. Sometimes s food you feed early in the cycle to slow them down, will send them way up if given at +7.
 
Re: 5/25 Billie PMPS 329 +2 293

Thank you Marje! I will definitely be experimenting! She is in the habit of grazing from her days of having 2 wet food meals with dry food out all day. Tonight, I fed her at PS, tried to feed her at +1 but she wasn't interested, then fed her again at +2 and just now at +3. Her +3 is 272! :smile: I'm relieved that we're not seeing a big drop and thinking that the Turducken might have helped. I hope everyone has a safe and pleasant night!!
 
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