5/18 Jane AMPS 440 PMPS 284, +1 is 196 97 at +2

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Kris & Jane (GA)

Kris & Jane (GA)

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Vet prescribed glipizide yesterday - but folks here have dissuaded me from going that route.

Gave 0.25 in flank this AM, but thinking scruff might prevent that fast drop we see with her. Thoughts, anyone?

She's dropping fast -- 55 at +4. DH feeding and giving a lick of karo.
 
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Kris:

If Jane starts to drop quickly, you can slow things down with food. If LC doesn't slow a drop, try MC (mix some HC + LC) or even HC depending on how carb sensitive Jane is or if the drop is fast and early in the cycle.
 
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My thoughts:
Glad you ditched the glip.
Nice to see a red vs black number.
Now it's wait and see.

I think there was some great advice in your condo last night one that comes to mind was about trying to catch the drop and feeding it. I was liking what everybody offered last night.

She's a special Janie girl -- we try our best, which you are doing and hope she evens out. Keep too many changes to a minimum and knock off one variable at a time.
 
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I wish it were that easy - but I'm at work. Jane has a style to which she has become accustomed, and it isn't cheap, requiring me to bring her a paycheck. ;)
DH has been at home and has knee surgery Friday, then job hunting. So there won't be anyone there to feed intermittently.
 
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I keep the wet stuff out on the counter or in a feeder. I use FF so the can's are small and we go through about 2 in a day so they're not sitting out overly long. I add water to the food in the feeder so it doesn't dry out. I want to say I read something on Dr. Lisa's site saying that it was fine to leave out for a relatively short period of time.

(And having to work to pay for strips, food, insulin, etc. is a real pain!)
 
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yes you can and up to 12 hours, maybe longer is fine. you can always freeze some also and it will slowly thaw. use ice cube trays. some feeders you can even put ice in the bottom??
 
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dian and wheezer said:
some feeders you can even put ice in the bottom??
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ours has a blue ice pack thingy (freezer pack? not sure what you call them) that goes in bottom of feeder.
 
Re: 5/18 Jane AMPS 440 55 at +4

kris, i'd try a couple scruff shots and take notes to see if it makes a difference. be sure to note any food changes or play that might affect the numbers too, to make sure the shot location is causing the difference. if you can try the scruff shot when you're home, you'd get more data that way.

not sure if no-carb food will slow a drop. you'd have to check on that. others who feed raw may have opinions. i'm guessing tho that whatever supplements you add to the raw will probably have some carbs in them, tho, so a little more food would probably increase her carb load to counteract a tendency to go too low.
 
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I think it depends on how carb sensitive janie is. 1TBS raw will not only stop the drop on wheezer but will raise him significantly. that is why I feel safe to feed a 35 and go to bed. I suggested same dose in scruff and test +1 to see what drop is and feed that even if a little karo or something in food and do a +2 also. think that is better than dropping dose by a drop cause nadir is some nice green so we have to slow that drop so liver does not panic.
just my thoughts. sound ok
 
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Hi Kris,
You can just do some extra testing over the weekends, and while DH is still home to figure out where the drops take place most of the time. Latte drops between am shot and +3 in a BIg way. It usually slows down from there. So I know I have to work hard at getting food in her, sometimes with karo. Also know to test those times when I can. She doesnt have such an easy time dropping in pm so much. I test less during this time and worry less about getting lots of food in her.

Once you know where she likes to drop, you do your best to make them a little slower. Few of us are home all day, everyday either.
 
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dian and wheezer said:
I think it depends on how carb sensitive janie is. 1TBS raw will not only stop the drop on wheezer but will raise him significantly. that is why I feel safe to feed a 35 and go to bed. I suggested same dose in scruff and test +1 to see what drop is and feed that even if a little karo or something in food and do a +2 also. think that is better than dropping dose by a drop cause nadir is some nice green so we have to slow that drop so liver does not panic.
just my thoughts. sound ok
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dian brings up an excellent point. alex is so darn carb sensitive, i can stop a drop and count on a rise in numbers from less than a tablespoon of raw or lc. testing about an hour after eating will give you an idea of how carb sensitive jane is.
i like dian's plan...
 
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and i just plain like dian! hee hee!

our shot times are 815, so there'll be time tonight to check at +1 and 2, maybe 3.

will shoot scruff exclusively now and see if that slows up the plunge.
 
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yeah, i was sorta responding to different conversations over the past couple days.

kris had mentioned jane was on a no-carb raw diet, so i was saying i think the supplements you mix in it will have some carbs so it should still help with the drop. coz i don't know what diet she's feeding i couldn't say that definitively but pretty sure it's not no-carb so i thought i'd ask again.

cleo comes up great with even very low carb food (or at least slows drop). the only time i give her HC is when she's inappetant, so the gravy does the job for her without her having to chew anything.

i think we've all been agreeing since yesterday that the scruff shots and controlling numbers with food are a great idea, haven't we? haven't tried a timed feeder but most cats seem ok with them once they figure out what they do. plenty of people feed wet using feeders.
 
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so the plan
scruff shot
.25u
test +1 and feed the drop if needed
test +2 and feed again if needed
test +3 and feed again if needed
test +6 which is usually her nadir but that can change.
I will stay up for support since no work tomorrow
we all in agreement
 
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I make Jane's food - Jennie-O ground turkey, cooked, drained, rinsed, with all the supplements added in. no egg. lately, i've been mixing in a tad of FF classic turkey & gibs into her homecooked. It's the only canned food I've found that, in moderation, does not give her pooding.

I aim to scruff shoot 0.25 minus a drop and test at 1, 2 and 3, then set the clock for 6, where she seems to nadir, then see what she is AMPS.

I'd like to try to avoid the Karo if I can, as she has an extremely delicate digestive system after the cancer surgeries and I don't know if it will upend her, so to speak. We'll do it if this plan doesn't ease the drop any.

Jane and I can't express how grateful we are for all the help we're getting.
 
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Hi Kris, What an exciting day for you and Jane! We use the CatMate C-20 2-compartment feeder. It works great and comes with a freezer block that fits under the food trays and keeps the food cool. I particularly like it because the first compartment stays open even after the 2nd compartment has opened. So if all of the food in the first compartment isn't finished, the cat can go back to it. (The feeder with the 5-compartment wheel rotates one compartment at a time into the opening in the lid. If the cat hasn't finished what's in a compartment when it is time for the next compartment to move into the opening, the unfinished food gets whisked under the lid and becomes unavailable! That's OK for cats who gobble up their food, but Stu often likes to graze).
Good luck with your food strategies!

Ella & Stu
 
Re: 5/18 Jane AMPS 440 PMPS 284, +1 is 196!!!

DIan's concerned that this is still too steep a drop - alarm will be set for just before nadir at +6. will test her again in half an hour, at +2.
 
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yes I am. 88 points and she has eaten. Just going by past drops at +4 which would be a total of over 300 points in 4 hours. maybe starting at a lower PMPS the drop may not be as steep but I do not trust your girl. need the spots to see just what she does and also if fred can do then tomorrow cause sometimes night and day are different
 
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she eats frequently. she ate about 40 mins ago, and she's nibbling again, about 10 mins from test time
 
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looks as though everyone went to bed :YMSIGH: waiting for +2. If not too bad then I would head off to bed and get a +6
 
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good job, keep testing and feeding and see if Janie will slow these drops down for us. She does love her Lantus, doesn't she?
 

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well, finally slowed her down. anxious to see +6 and AMPS. see what others say tomorrow but stay with skinny .25 and feed +1 ,+2 HC and/or take off another drop. all depends on tomorrows # I guess. you did very good tonight. kudos to you. we going to bed now
 
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