Venita and The Boyz said:
jojo and bunny said:
is there anyone out there that still has doubts about this being a HIGH DOSE cat? speak up now or forever hold you peas.
Yes, I still have doubts. Oliver was never appropriately started on the Lantus protocol. He was treated for almost a full month at the vet's office on 3-4u without consistent testing. Gayle's short 1U start-over did not give his system time to clear.
and yes i have been helping gayle with this boy on FB. it is the one case i made the commitment to take on no matter how ill i was because she desperately needed the reassurance. anyone that wishes to comment on that now is your chance. i have not read one of the previous condo here in LL of his, but have heard that she was taking some flack (not from usual LL peeps of course) for oliver's dosing needs. repeat, dosing needs. i hope those days are over. gayle is doing an awesome job with very very tough case here. my kudos to you gayle!
Yes, I have comments. Thank you so very much for your permission for those who do not agree with what is happening here to express their opinions. I believe that because Oliver is a DCIN placement, his treatment should be advised in an open, public forum. The private advising of a public adoption will factor into DCIN's future adoption evaluations. "Flack" is an overstatement, IMVHO, dearest JoJo, for the occasional concerns expressed publicly by those involved with Oliver's rescue and placement. It is not at all inappropriate for those "peeps" to be concerned. If they weren't concerned, Oliver would not have been rescued and rehomed. I am disappointed that those concerned persons were and continue to be attacked for expressing their reasoned opinions in a public forum. Hopefully, your clear permission here for comments will squelch attacks on my opinion.
is may 14th still the scheduled day for the acro/IAA blood draws?
The sooner the better.
Venita,
With all due respect, I feel you are misunderstanding a whole lot about the treatment of Oliver. There are many of us high dose AND regular dose people looking at these numbers. We may not post every day but there is NOTHING wrong with what Gayle is doing. What you are doing, however, is an insult to her. Please understand that there are a good many of us who are VERY well qualified to see whether this cat needs more or less insulin and Gayle is indeed one of those people.
You know me personally, in real life, and you know my track record on spreadsheet reading and seeing things that others do not. It took me all of 5 seconds to note the cat was resistant to R which is indicative of multiple high dose conditions, and
never indicative of overdose. It took me 5 seconds of looking at his pictures to note the potbelly, large frame, paws and head and the jutting jaw of this cat. I did not want to discuss that on Gayle's threads because I find it bad enough she's got this going on that I don't need to blurt out "Hey Gayle, I think you accidentally adopted a second acro!" You know that I have been on these threads so I know you know she is being talked to by people who actually know when there's something wrong. You know that I have had cats who have been dosed all over the place, micro, low, mid and now a 22u cat who was once at 40u. I would NOT condone poor dosing advice and I would NOT condone advising a cat to stay at too high a dose either. You know this about me, and you know this about a good many other people who are on Gayle's threads.
I am rather horrified that I am seeing these posts on this poor girl's condos. (Sorry Gayle, I know you are not a poor girl) In fact, I am beyond horrified. It is unseemly that someone who has gone so far out of her way to take into her home and worked so very hard to attempt to regulate him would be the recipient of such ugliness and second-guessing. You may not want to believe this but there is an extreme likelihood that she has accidentally adopted an acrocat or an IAA cat. How would you feel if you had an acrocat, thought you were getting a "regular" diabetic cat, and found out after spending THOUSANDS of dollars on insulin, treatment and tests that the cat was acro..? Do you not think she is feeling enough stress?
The time has come to allow her to treat this cat as if he is her own because he IS her own. Please please please call off the dogs, the cat is in VERY good hands with Gayle, and is being monitored by people who can and do read spreadsheets every single day. We can recognize these problems very quickly. You must have seen the extreme numbers of cats identified acro on this insulin support group alone. It is due to the protocol itself, which is known inside and out by every member here, most especially by Gayle who tried so hard to get Shadoe regulated before discovering she was acro. People don't understand that about high dose and acro moms. We already did the protocol. We know that information better than anyone... because we would have done ANYTHING to get our cats to be normal. ANYTHING. Think about loading up a syringe with 5, 8, 10, 20u of insulin and think how hard you'd have to swallow before injecting that. It's a damn difficult thing to do, especially when you see all these other people deciding if they should shoot a fat 1u or 1.25u. Then think about if you DON'T do it what can happen. Ketones, DKA, feeding tubes, thousands of $$ in treatment and even death. Yes, acro's and IAA kitties can both throw ketones and can both get DKA (Jennifer and Spunky is a classic case)
As far as your comment about the sooner the better.. Gayle lives in Canada which means her blood work costs 4-5 times the cost it does in the US, how about we give her some time to finance this instead of ramrodding her into doing something that makes YOU feel better. It's unfortunate that I have had to put this post up, but I feel that enough is enough --
there is not a single cat who has ever been hurt on Lantus Land as long as I have been on this board. I am certain we are not about to start now.
