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Karrie and Maverick

Karrie and Maverick

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May is here. Hugs and healing vines to beans and kitties today.

I am still in trying to stay busy. My back and legs are so sore from gardening. Ripping up overgrown shrubs... moving trees that I planted in the wrong spot last year (who knew dwarf spruce grew to 6 or 8 feet or more). Getting the garden ready for blue poppies. I'm not sure when the greenhouse will call when they are ready.

I think I have an orphan columbine in the back yard under the deck. Does anyone know if this perennial self seeds somehow? Or its a weed that looks similar.

Henry is still up and down when it comes to being out and about. I'm having to pump the lysine gel directly in his mouth but he's going on two weeks with sniffles. He won't eat baby food or wet food or tuna juice. I'll try tuna juice again today. Any other suggestions welcome. I put the gel on his paws and he leaves it on for hours and uses the litterbox Oy.
 
Karrie: did you try the l-lysine you put in their water? They can't taste it.....it does turn the water yellow. Hope you have a great day gardening. That's where we are headed, too.
 
I was told you can only put it in the water for maintenance dosing. That they wouldn't get enough of it to help with active virus from the water.

Tried tuna juice again. No go. Looks like I'm going to continue forcing it :sad:
 
Hi Karrie, We bought the L-Lysine tablets (500 mg). Cut them in half with a pill cutter. Then grind down one of the halves into powder (I use the back of a spoon to do this). When you have a nice, fine powder, just mix it into his regular wet food. It is tasteless. This works for Rusty. The dose is 1/2 of a tablet (250 mg) twice a day. You can buy the l-Lysine tablets in any health-food store. It also comes--already in powder form-- in capsules. Pull a capsule in half and mix the powder from one of the halves into Henry's food.
Good luck,
Ella
p.s. we already have a powerful sump pump!!
 
I've been adding the powder to Simon and Cleo's food 2x/day for the last week because of the sniffles. I know the powder is supposed to be tasteless, but Cleo can somehow taste that her food is different. She often refuses to eat the food with the powder in it. When I put another bowl down without the powder, she gobbles it up. Thankfully, she is doing much better and almost over her cold. I like the water idea so I'm going to have to look into that for on-going maintenance.

I'm going to try and post some today. Still been having migraines every day so I can't spend much time on the computer. I have tons of doctor's visits coming up over the next few weeks so hopefully, I can get to the bottom of things. I've missed checking up on everyone.

Karrie, it sounds like you are a wonderful landscaper. I need you in my back yard -- the weeds are taking over!!
 
Henry won't eat anything but kibble and temptations treats. He is being converted over this week from Science Diet to Wellness Core kibble though. Baby steps I guess.
 
Hi again, Karrie,
You might also try the EVO kibble. At 7% it's the lowest in carbs of the dry food, I believe. When I switched Stu to wet food I had to keep giving him a little EVO kibble every day because he loved it so. I fed it as a treat.

Ella

Whoops! I forgot, Henry isn't diabetic!!!!!!!
 
Darn - I didn't know there was a lower carb kibble than Core. I'm kicking myself now. Not sure if I should attempt another change so quickly. Thanks for the heads up Ella. ohmygod_smile ohmygod_smile ohmygod_smile
 
Gordo is a kibble addict also and I switched him from Science Diet to Purina DM. He is not diabetic but at least if Enana gets into the kibble it is not as bad as with regular kibble.

I was reading today about the Innova EVO Cat & Kitten dry...It is 8%.
 
a little bit off-topic, but worth mentioning when there's talk of "maintenance dosing" with L-lysine...
high amounts of L-lysine can deplete the amino acid arginine.

dian....re: l-lysine
Posted by: jojo and bunny(GA) and Y (IP Logged)
Date: September 22, 2007 07:26PM


here:
"Possibly l-lysine which is antagonistic to arginine and appears to halt viral replication.There is a very cheap capsule form of 500 mg at iherb.com. If you feed wet food you can sprinkle it on. How much Lysine should you give your herpes cat? Supposedly the advisable dose is between 250 and 500 mg but some people give as much as 1000 without seeing any negative side effects. You can also buy it in the powder for which is really cheap but you have to bother to measure each time. If you use the tablet, you can always buy a pill popper. Most of the people on the herpes support group at yahoo give their kitty cats lysine and see the positive affects.

Here is some information from Vet's Cafe group on Yahoo by a vet

"From: Alex Gallagher
To: petvetcafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Pet Vet Cafe ] Advice needed on L-lysine dosing

The short answer is we don;t entirely know. A recent study published in April out of UC Davis looked at feeding a lysine supplemented vs a basal diet for a 52 day period. Arginine levels were statistically significantly lower in cats fed the lysine supplemented diet, but no adverse effects were clinically evident. The authors state that the supplemented diet provided approximately the equivalent of 500-mg lysine twice a day. Further studies are needed to know what the long term (months or years) effects of therapy may be. As with most long terms medications, titrating to the least effective dose may be the reasonable way to go. If there is concern in an individual patient, plasma arginine levels could be measured. In my own experience I have not noted any issues in cats receiving long term lysine, but mostly I have used a total dose of 500-mg per day.

Alex, DVM"

This is more advise as to the 1000 dosage of lysine :

"1000 mg of L-Lysine/day is not recommended.
High amounts of L-Lysine will deplete Arginine. Arginine (an amino acid) is essential to the processing of protein; cats with arginine insufficiency cannot convert ammonia to urea, and hence get a condition called "hyperammonemia"--an excess of ammonia in the blood: ammonia intoxication. Arginine deficiency will also lead to hyperglycemia, lethargy, vomiting, diarrhea, weakness and imbalance, and VERY rapid weight loss (sometimes as much as 5-10% body weight in 24 hours). Cats, as carnivores, are extremely sensitive to arginine deficiency. Please do not over-supplement L-Lysine. The recommended dosage for cats w/FHV is 500 mg/day. Do not give any more than that without explicit instructions from your veterinarian.

This is NOT true AND true, at the same time. There has been scientific studies done on UC Davis, which implied that overdose of L- Lysine is simply not possible, because the cats will not eat the food if the halt of L-Lysine is so high that it can be dangerous. In tests the cats refused to eat the food when the halt of L-Lysine was above 8 % (!!!!) of the food, and even that was not close to being dangerous. The recommended dosage of L-Lysine is 1000 mg/day! 500 mg twice a day, so Michelle is doing it EXACTLY right. But yes, you are right in the fact that L-Lysine lowers the levels of Arginine, and that IS dangerous. BUT... if the cat is offered a diet that consists of meatbase products as for an example a complemental feeding of meat every day, there is no problem since meat contains more than enough of Arginine to compensate the loss due to L-Lysine use.

But the sudden strong ammonia smell could implement that the Arginine levels are too low. But the dosage of L-Lysine should not be lowered, instead increase the amount of Arginine."
http://www.felinediabetes.com/phorum5/read.php?7,802515,802642,sv=1#msg-802642.


just some food for thought...
 
Karrie, I have an unopened bottle of L-Lysine, in 500 MG tablet form. I would be happy to mail to you, if you want to try it.
I got it free with a buy-one-get-one, deal. :-D
Pm me, if you would like to have it.

Columbine reseeds itself, in zone 6. I assume it will, where you are too.
 
Barb that is very sweet of you. I have a 1lb container of powder but no way to give this to him. He's already a biter so I don't know if I could pill him.
Good to know about the Columbine. I guess it must not be a weed and I'll be transplanting it into the garden.

Thanks for the Lysine info also Jill!!!

He's only getting 200mg right now ohmygod_smile ohmygod_smile ohmygod_smile (1 pump in the AM and 1 pump in the PM). He hates the gel. But what cat would turn down tuna and tuna juice?
 
Interesting info on the Lysine! I give Willie about 300mg of the Carlson powdered version (about 1/8 tsp) every morning and have noticed a dramatic decrease in the sniffles. Thankfully, he eats it mixed into his food with no problems!
 
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