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Happy Friday LL! Gobbles is in a good mood this morning; I was greeted in bed with a barage of kisses and purring. He at a good breakfast then took a trip to the LB to leave me a present of loose poo and a pee clump. Then he preened, which is a good sign :-D His Tylan was due yesterday at 10 a.m. but I withheld it and then decided to give it to him at 7 p.m.; today is Day 8 of Tylan and Day 7 of Pearls. I am sure I should be getting some of his lab results today. I have some chicken thawing out and have decided to try giving him nothing but raw chicken for the rest of the day. Perhaps his diarrhea is due to food sensitivity...I'm thinking small meals, instead of a few larger ones, are better. Of course, should he go low today, I should then give him some LC, correct?

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Hi Kat, I can't say about the raw chicken experiment. I think I recall Sienne saying something about some common meats causing a reaction and to try something different like duck or venison. But someone with more experience than I do would give better advice. Gobby's values would dictate what food you put out ... are you around to test if you do such an experiment? Some food like FF Salmon is only 1 carb, so maybe Gobby would be fine surfing. Good luck!
 
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Good morning, Kat!
Not to bad of a report for Gobbles, except for the loose poo.
I'm not sure about the chicken all day thing.....it may be ok for one day, but I know it's not good for any long period of time due to not enough of nutrients. Sorry I can't be of more help on that.

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Hi guys .. no fuddy advice here but it's nice to hear that gobbles was feeling good enough to do some preening .. must be getting ready for the lagoon! Have a great weekend!
 
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Hi Kat, no advice on the raw but sending feel better vines on the poo for Gobbles.
 
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Morning Kat! No advice but I'm just stopping by to say "Hi" & good luck with whatever you decide :smile: I hope Gobby is his sweet wonderful self all day long! (((HUGS & SCRITCHES)))
Cindy & Sabrina cat_pet_icon dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat Wonderful news about the raffle!!! :RAHCAT :RAHCAT :RAHCAT I'm going to snag my daughter, hopefully, to contribute to FDMB :mrgreen:
 
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If you are planning on a raw diet, it would probably be best if you transitioned vs. a complete switch. A change in diet can cause poo problems until a cat's system adjusts. (Gabby had a bit of diarrhea when I switched her to raw. It didn't happen when I switched her back to canned.) I also doubt that one day of a raw diet is going to do much of anything.

When you get the lab results back, I do think you need to discuss this with your vet. The diarrhea has been going on for too long. Is the Tylan not working? How long are you expected to give it before trying another strategy? What does the vet think the problem is?
 
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I have no experience with raw, but what Sienne said makes sense. More than anything, I think you need to try and settle in with some consistency, between the meds and the foods and the probiotics, a lot of changes have been tossed at Gobby in a short time. That means it's hard to figure out what is causing the problem, as well as the possibility that all the changes and not being steady can cause problems in and of themselves.

One thing I know about food sensitivities, as I have gone through it with my "triplets", is that it definitely does take time to see results, and you have to feed only one thing at a time, to see what the result is. It's definitely another "patience pants" situation. Sienne is absolutely right about transitioning slowly (or you could end up with even worse problems), and sticking with it for more than one day.

I'm sure you'll get this sorted out. It sounds like Gobby feels good despite/aside from the poo issue, and that is great.

Have a wonderful day, Kat!
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
If you are planning on a raw diet, it would probably be best if you transitioned vs. a complete switch. A change in diet can cause poo problems until a cat's system adjusts. (Gabby had a bit of diarrhea when I switched her to raw. It didn't happen when I switched her back to canned.) I also doubt that one day of a raw diet is going to do much of anything.

When you get the lab results back, I do think you need to discuss this with your vet. The diarrhea has been going on for too long. Is the Tylan not working? How long are you expected to give it before trying another strategy? What does the vet think the problem is?
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I am at my wit's end here. I will transition. I think small meals are best. He just tried to poo and nothing came out; I'm sure there's a medical term for "urgency". I still am waiting to hear from the vet; bordering on a panic attack--I was expecting a call last night and didn't get it. I might guess that the Tylan is not working. Based upon the tests, perhaps he'll try something else. If he were your cat, what would you do? We are totally tapped of funds and credit. I about blew my top yesterday when I dropped off the fecal sample and had to pay another $160; I assumed it was included in the $446 charge the other day; paws crossed, my husband doesn't ask me how much yesterday's charge was....
 
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Oh goodness. The vet bills are adding up. Don't panic. I know exactly what you must be feeling though. It sounds like you are looking at the entire situation and are trying to see every angle. Good luck with it all.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that you're having problems with Gobby's poo situation.

In the past, I've used 100% psyllium (you can purchase it at Walmart) 2x/day to help with Blackie's and Jr. Mint's (GA) diarrhea situation. It has helped. Thankfully, they weren't on any prescription meds. I also add water (1 cup divided) to Blackie's diet on a daily basis, and she's on wet food only. Never tried her on raw. I am all for transitioning foods slowly so that you don't have intestinal, or other issues. Right now, I'm currently transitioning my 22 year old mare to a senior only diet so that her system doesn't freak out over the new food. Horses systems are far more sensitive than a cat's, but it's still the same principle. I think if you fed raw, you'd have to add vitamins and minerals to it so that the kitty would get the benefit of it. You may want to consider feeding a lower carb wet food if you don't want to feed raw and add all those extras to it. At least you have choices. :-D
 
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Good morning Gobbles.

Bummer on the tummy issues. That is no fun when you struggle w/ poo. And, yuck, on the vet bill.

Regarding raw. My question is, are you just thawing out a chicken and giving Gobbles bits of it? If so, then Gobbles will not be getting all of the nutrients and vitamins he needs. We have Fur Ball on a completely raw diet and give him Nature's Variety Instinct Raw-Chicken (venison can't be a complete diet but they also have duck and bison). I don't have the time/energy to make his food, and have found this to be a great alternative. And Fur Ball loves it and that is all he eats. When we were doing the sugar dance, we used canned food to encourage surfs at times, but I don't think he's had anything but raw for the last 6 months. I think we were incredibly fortunate that FB took to the raw so easily and quickly.

Hope you get vet answers today.

Karen
 
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Amy&TrixieCat said:
I have no experience with raw, but what Sienne said makes sense. More than anything, I think you need to try and settle in with some consistency, between the meds and the foods and the probiotics, a lot of changes have been tossed at Gobby in a short time. That means it's hard to figure out what is causing the problem, as well as the possibility that all the changes and not being steady can cause problems in and of themselves.

One thing I know about food sensitivities, as I have gone through it with my "triplets", is that it definitely does take time to see results, and you have to feed only one thing at a time, to see what the result is. It's definitely another "patience pants" situation. Sienne is absolutely right about transitioning slowly (or you could end up with even worse problems), and sticking with it for more than one day.

I'm sure you'll get this sorted out. It sounds like Gobby feels good despite/aside from the poo issue, and that is great.

Have a wonderful day, Kat!
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Consistency would be nice; but I haven't got a clue what to do; I am grasping. He did say that sometimes probiotics don't work and you have to hit on the "right" one. I suppose that makes sense. Forti-flora is out of the question unless I forced it down his throat and I will not do that to him. And the reason I was going to try an all day "raw" diet was due to a suggestion made to me yesterday...that's all
 
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I wish it was a better morning for you Kat. We're sending all the "be healthy" "good poo" vines and prayers we have for you two. You have so much going on with meds and food, i hope you find just the right combination. take good care (((Kat and Gobbles))))
 
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I unfortunately have no real advice except to say, you have some really smart people on your team.

I SO know the helpless feeling of wanting to "fix" Gobbles. Lord how I have been down that road. When everything you try just isnt enough you just want to try anything.

One thing I did learn that sometimes less is more... How that figures into your decisions may or may not determine favorable results, it's just something to tuck away in the back of your mind.

It is SO good to read how Gobbles likes to wake you up in the morning...We LIVE for these days cat_pet_icon

Keeping you both in my prayers,
jeanne

ETA: I'm up to my chin in Vet bills too...Dont forget to breathe
 
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I called the vet. Although the labs aren't back yet, he said to: continue Tyan (he's been on it a week now, though it is prescribed for two weeks) as sometimes it takes a while to work and to continue the eardrops (one week). He also said to pick one or two foods, same brand, low carb (such as Friskies Turkey & Giblets OR maybe Friskies Salmon & Tuna) and stick to that. No raw meat, no treats. Just one or two of the same foods. He's going to call me once labs get back. Soooooo...that's what I will do. And try not to stress and get the Patience Pants out of the closet and slap them on!!!!
 
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jt and trouble (GA) said:
One thing I did learn that sometimes less is more...
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My husband and my vet would agree with you; I was told this morning that I'm trying to do "too many things"
 
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So yesterday in your other condo on Health, I responded that eating raw only for a few days helps my civie Minkie when he has bouts of diarrhea.
Which it does. But I do use a pre-mix with it so he gets the nutrients he needs - TC Feline.
You can get small, sample packs and order here http://rawmeatpetfood.com/products-page/raw-meat-cat-food/tcfeline-plus-chicken-liver-trial-size/
(its the one Dr. Lisa mentions on her site)
It takes 4-7 days to ship.

I spent over $1000 in tests ( :cry: ) with everything as negative. The vet recommended boiled chicken and rice - no way Minkie would have that! so I went for the raw.
Of course, ECID... :roll:
 
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Denise & Honey said:
So yesterday in your other condo on Health, I responded that eating raw only for a few days helps my civie Minkie when he has bouts of diarrhea.
Which it does. But I do use a pre-mix with it so he gets the nutrients he needs - TC Feline.
I spent over $1000 in tests ( :cry: ) with everything as negative. The vet recommended boiled chicken and rice - no way Minkie would have that! so I went for the raw.
Of course, ECID... :roll:
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Thanks Denise. As you may be able to tell, I've done everything short of pulling out my hair...LOL....I have so many great suggestions from so many thoughtful members, that my head spins. I didn't know that it is recommended to use a pre-mix with the raw, but I'm glad you posted that (in case I try that route down the road). This morning, I figured that I would just wait on what Gobbles' vet says to do...so I'm going to try that first. Did your vet order an U/S (included in the "over $1000 in tests" that you mentioned)? At this point, I just have to remember to breathe...baby steps here...just the Tylan & eardrops for now, along with a LC, same brand & flavor diet....So Minkie has occasional bouts of the D bombs? How often? When did it start? I hate to hear your kitty gets the D, but know then I'm not the only one with a poopy kitty :lol:
 
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Hi Kat, I'm so sorry that Gobbles continues to have diarrhea. On the raw, perhaps it was suggested because raw has a reputation for constipating some cats, but it is the ground bones in a raw diet that cause constipation and just feeding chicken wouldn't have that effect. And just just meat isn't a balanced diet. We feed Tess NV raw and she loves it, but you do need to transition slowly. Tess loves the chicken and venison (it is a complete diet, it is the bison that isn't, i just checked our bag), so so on lamb. She loves the beef too. but throws up every time she eats beef, venison is good though. We don't use the rabbit or duck because they are too high in phosphorus. Beef and fish are two of the most common food allergies for cats.

Our new little civvie some poo issues too, very soft and very stinky! I though it may have been getting used to canned food, but after a month and a half it still really perfumes up the room. I just started giving her some psyllium (you can get it at most drug stores or health food stores). I did make her poo firmer yesterday but doubled in size! :shock: The recommended dose was 1 tsp twice a day, mixed in food w/ added water. I'm halving the dose today to see if that works a little better.

If your vet thinks a different probiotic may be better, we use one called Pet Dophillus made by Jarrow. It is specifically for pets and has numerous strains of the good gut bacteria. Again, i get it at our local vitamin shop.

In my searches for Emma I came across this site http://www.vitalityscience.com/v/AllProducts/cat-diarrhea/feline-treatment.asp. No endorsement, but maybe something to ask your vet about.

Hugs, scritches and healing vines.
 
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No, we didn't get the U/S - that was the next step.
I'd just had one of those for Monster the month before for his hyper-T dx and that was $600 so I was holding out!!

Like you, I didn't know what to do. It started around Xmas and carried on into Feb. He seemed fine as well although a little dehydrated so we gave him fluids. No other symptoms - very playful, eating, purring, preening - just runny, smelly poo!

He pretty much only likes beef and fish flavoured food so I decided to cut out the beef. I'd only started giving him it in Nov. when Honey was dx but he'd had fish-flavours before as they always got a can of food split between them in the evening. I even considered moving him back to dry food as he was the dry-food addict :o

He gets occassional diarrhea but I still think its the food - the other 2 cats like beef and I occassionally give it to them but feed him separately but he may still get it.
Or it could be something else, of course! He's an indoor/outdoor cat but he was tested for anything he could pick up outside so that should have been ok.

After all of the testing and costs, the fact that he had no other symptoms and that we had no dx, I decided he either had something really bad or something to do with the food.
I hoped it was the food and so went down that path.
 
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Ann & Tess said:
Hi Kat, I'm so sorry that Gobbles continues to have diarrhea. On the raw, perhaps it was suggested because raw has a reputation for constipating some cats, but it is the ground bones in a raw diet that cause constipation and just feeding chicken wouldn't have that effect....I just started giving her some psyllium (you can get it at most drug stores or health food stores)....If your vet thinks a different probiotic may be better, we use one called Pet Dophillus made by Jarrow. It is specifically for pets and has numerous strains of the good gut bacteria....In my searches for Emma I came across this site http://www.vitalityscience.com/v/AllProducts/cat-diarrhea/feline-treatment.asp. No endorsement, but maybe something to ask your vet about.
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Yup, probably--seems like raw probably would firm things up. My intention was to feed him that just for a day or two, but at this point, I'm going to try with narrowing down his wet can diet; something to start with. I'll ask my vet re: psyllium and Pet Dophillus. As for the Vitality product, I'll put that on the backburner as it is very pricey :-D Thanks!
 
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Denise & Honey said:
Like you, I didn't know what to do. It started around Xmas and carried on into Feb. He seemed fine as well although a little dehydrated so we gave him fluids. No other symptoms - very playful, eating, purring, preening - just runny, smelly poo!...He gets occassional diarrhea but I still think its the food - the other 2 cats like beef and I occassionally give it to them but feed him separately but he may still get it.
Or it could be something else, of course! He's an indoor/outdoor cat but he was tested for anything he could pick up outside so that should have been ok...After all of the testing and costs, the fact that he had no other symptoms and that we had no dx, I decided he either had something really bad or something to do with the food. I hoped it was the food and so went down that path.
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So I'm not the only one who is baffled :-D Gobbles' has been going on for a month now. He does seem fine, other than the D bombs...I suppose I can say I hope it is the food; that would be easy to "cure"....like you, I am thinking something really bad or just the food. Paws crossed we'll know soon and it will be something that although not terribly good, it is not "bad". Thanks for sharing :mrgreen:
 
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FWIW, I do know exactly how you feel...I battled LB issues with three of mine (littermates) for almost 10 years. Yep, you read that right. I tried all sorts of things...fortiflora, psyllium, probiotics, tons of diets. Sometimes I would hit a combo that was OK, but then it would start to peter out. I thought for sure they were sensitive to chicken, fish, and grains. I was able to come to those conclusions through various elimination diets...but, at the same time, they would only stick to a limited ingredient diet long enough for it to work - and then they'd refuse to eat it, sending me back to square one. So, basically I couldn't find a food that worked for them (they absolutely REFUSE to touch canned....I have tried EVERY trick and then some.). Of course, I was only looking at what I considered to be the best of the best for them - I was a pet food snob. This past January, my vet finally gave me a good talking to...that I needed to start thinking about food differently. That maybe all the fancy "extras" in the foods I was feeding - like cranberries and rosemary extract - were the problem. She convinced me to try Science Diet. At that point, things could not get any worse...they were barfing, had the runs, were losing weight...what could I lose by trying a food that millions of animals eat and do well on every day? So I bit the bullet and gave it a go. This was my last ditch effort before putting them through more invasive tests and probably putting them on life time meds. As much as it made me cringe, I bought Science Diet Hairball Control. Within a month, they completely turned around. For the first time in their lives, they have solid poo. The stopped barfing, and regained weight. Their fur feels like silk. If I didn't live it myself, I wouldn't believe it.

Now, since this involves dry food, it obviously is not an option for Gobbles. And while it's not ideal for most cats, well, ECID. My cats did poorly on other foods...very poorly. It took a lot of time to get here, but keeping things as simple as possible is a huge key when you think you've got food sensitivities going on. Yeah, I know the patience pants are tough enough with FD...and they're a million times worse with food issues. But you will get there! Keep in mind that no matter what, Gobby is feeling good. That really is VERY important to remember. Remember that whenever you feel panic set in. You're doing great!!!
 
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I hear your frustration and I'm sorry that this is so stressful and so expensive. I hate what vet bills do to my credit card (but hey! 1% cash back!)

I am bookmarking this condo. Lots of good information and suggestions here.

(((hugs)))
 
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I hear your frustration and I'm sorry that this is so stressful and so expensive. I hate what vet bills do to my credit card (but hey! 1% cash back!)

I am bookmarking this condo. Lots of good information and suggestions here.

(((hugs)))
 
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Amy&TrixieCat said:
I battled LB issues with three of mine (littermates) for almost 10 years...So, basically I couldn't find a food that worked for them ...I bought Science Diet Hairball Control. Within a month, they completely turned around. For the first time in their lives, they have solid poo. The stopped barfing, and regained weight. Their fur feels like silk. If I didn't live it myself, I wouldn't believe it.

Now, since this involves dry food, it obviously is not an option for Gobbles. And while it's not ideal for most cats, well, ECID....It took a lot of time to get here, but keeping things as simple as possible is a huge key when you think you've got food sensitivities going on. Yeah, I know the patience pants are tough enough with FD...and they're a million times worse with food issues. But you will get there! Keep in mind that no matter what, Gobby is feeling good. That really is VERY important to remember. Remember that whenever you feel panic set in. You're doing great!!!
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OMGeee :o 10 years~and here I am restraining myself from pulling my hair out, and he's only had LB issues for a mere month! Wow Amy, I had no idea. Well, baby steps here: today & tomorrow he gets nothing other than Friskies Turkey/Giblet or FF Chunky Chicken--will see how that goes. I have often contemplated a completely different brand of wet food (one of the more expensive ones) but would have to feed it to all the kitties here as I don't want to have to do separate feedings (too much hassle for me). Paws crossed he's getting better; the vet should have all of the tests (blood, urine and fecal) back by Monday at the latest. In the meantime, I'll stick to the food regime I started, give him his Tylan, Pearls and ear drops only. You're right in that it is very important that he acts like himself--in fact, he even took some TP off the roll this afternoon, for no apparent reason (he usually only does that when someone is literally sitting on the pot) when I was in the bathroom trying to make sense out of my hair with a curling iron....I guess he just wanted to do something cute....Thanks for sharing and for the paw on the back; I needed to hear that :-D
 
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Lisa & Leo said:
I hear your frustration and I'm sorry that this is so stressful and so expensive. I hate what vet bills do to my credit card (but hey! 1% cash back!)

I am bookmarking this condo. Lots of good information and suggestions here.

(((hugs)))
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Thanks Lisa; Gobby has always been the alpha cat and a very high-maintenace child...he's probably just doing all this for attention (though believe me, he gets more attention than anyone else (all species) in the house.. :lol: )
 
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Hi Kat. I'm so sorry that you are having such a difficult time determining what to do next for Gobbles. The only help I can give is to keep you and Gobbles in our Prayers. I hope the lab results help the vet sort everything out.

Have a great evening Kat and congratulations on your accomplishment with the raffle.
 
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Frosty said:
Hi Kat. I'm so sorry that you are having such a difficult time determining what to do next for Gobbles. The only help I can give is to keep you and Gobbles in our Prayers. I hope the lab results help the vet sort everything out.

Have a great evening Kat and congratulations on your accomplishment with the raffle.
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Thanks so much John. I'm trying to be optimistic, really I am. Maybe the diet change will work. Paws crossed, I get good news on the labs :-D
 
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I'm sorry Gobbles is still having loose poo. I hope that following the vets instructions from today will help clear that up and Gobbles will start feeling better.

Great job on the raffle. :RAHCAT :RAHCAT
 
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Nice yellow start tonight Gobbles.

Kat, I hope you find a solution to those D bombs soon. I've heard that if you are going to try an food elimination diet, you have to stick to a protein for two weeks before you determine if it's going to work. Both my cats are on raw food but I rotate around 4 proteins. The civie did a gradual transition (1/4 raw, then 1/2, then 3/4) but Neko just did half for part of a week and then switched over completely, but she's hardly met a food she didn't like. They both love it which is lucky because the civie was a big fan of dry. I also give the Pet Dophilus that Ann mentioned.
 
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With regards to food, I've had Blackie on Fancy Feast Turkey & Giblets in the beginning before doing a gradual switchover to the Evo 95% Chicken & Turkey that's on now today. It's best to stick with 1 food, though, so that Gobbles will become adjusted to it. I hope that you are able to get his diarrhea situation sorted out soon. If need be, add some water to his food to ensure that he's getting back the liquids that he needs.
 
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If Gobby is having issues with food sensitivities, keep in mind that it does take at least several weeks for the digestive tract to settle down once the "offending food" has been removed. That's why it's important to keep things very simple...so you can really see what is going on. While long-term d-bombs are not a good thing, as long as Gobby is feeling good, you can sit back and let time try and do some healing. Believe me, I spent a lot of time panicking before I realized this. I can't tell you how many times I got up in the middle of the night when I heard someone digging in the box, so I could see who was doing what. And to this day, the sound of the litter box is one of my least favorite things to hear!

Yeah, I know how hard the separate feedings are. I'd give my right arm to have all 5 of mine eating the same thing! But, since my triplets refuse to eat canned, I spend many hours a day playing "food police", so Trix won't get their kibbles. You gotta do what you gotta do!

Believe me, I'm kicking myself for being a food snob for so long....but I can't turn back time. All I can do is learn from the past...

I love that Gobby pulled out the cuteness today. They seem to know when us beans need something to make us smile!
 
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