well + 3.5 and still in icky red, 455, but not entirely unexpected. He's feeling fine, having a very small snack, and I"m off to bed. I don't think there will be any action tonight, but.. tomorrow is another day, and I have five days off in a row so hopefully he'll have a decent number AMPS to start all over again! Wow. that was exciting! Thanx everyone for the support and entertainment. Here's hoping he surfed long enough in the green for Mr. Liver to learn a few things and Mr. Pancreas to get a bit of a kick start! Good night everyone, hope you have a wonderful evening!